From owner-freebsd-users@melt.server.pavilion.net Tue Jun 22 21:04:53 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-users@listserver.pavilion.net Received: from florence.pavilion.net (florence.pavilion.net [194.242.128.25]) by melt.server.pavilion.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF65A1D9C for ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 21:04:52 +0100 (BST) Received: (from joe@localhost) by florence.pavilion.net (8.9.2/8.8.8) id VAA48159 for freebsd-users@uk.freebsd.org; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 21:04:52 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from joe) Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 21:04:52 +0100 From: Josef Karthauser To: freebsd-users@uk.freebsd.org Subject: [Freebsd-users] test Message-ID: <19990622210452.A48085@pavilion.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i X-NCC-RegID: uk.pavilion Organisation: Pavilion Internet plc, 24 The Old Steine, Brighton, BN1 1EL, England Phone: +44-845-333-5000 Fax: +44-845-333-5001 Mobile: +44-403-596893 Sender: joe@florence.pavilion.net A test message to freebsd-users@uk.freebsd.org. Please ignore. Joe -- Josef Karthauser FreeBSD: How many times have you booted today? Technical Manager Viagra for your server (http://www.uk.freebsd.org) Pavilion Internet plc. [joe@pavilion.net, joe@uk.freebsd.org, joe@tao.org.uk] From owner-freebsd-users@melt.server.pavilion.net Tue Jun 22 21:06:29 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-users@listserver.pavilion.net Received: from florence.pavilion.net (florence.pavilion.net [194.242.128.25]) by melt.server.pavilion.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A6F11D9C for ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 21:06:29 +0100 (BST) Received: (from joe@localhost) by florence.pavilion.net (8.9.2/8.8.8) id VAA48486 for freebsd-users@uk.freebsd.org; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 21:06:29 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from joe) Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 21:06:29 +0100 From: Josef Karthauser To: freebsd-users@uk.freebsd.org Subject: Re: [Freebsd-users] test Message-ID: <19990622210629.B48085@pavilion.net> References: <19990622210452.A48085@pavilion.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <19990622210452.A48085@pavilion.net>; from Josef Karthauser on Tue, Jun 22, 1999 at 09:04:52PM +0100 X-NCC-RegID: uk.pavilion Organisation: Pavilion Internet plc, 24 The Old Steine, Brighton, BN1 1EL, England Phone: +44-845-333-5000 Fax: +44-845-333-5001 Mobile: +44-403-596893 Sender: joe@florence.pavilion.net On Tue, Jun 22, 1999 at 09:04:52PM +0100, Josef Karthauser wrote: > A test message to freebsd-users@uk.freebsd.org. > > Please ignore. Please ignore this one also. Joe -- Josef Karthauser FreeBSD: How many times have you booted today? Technical Manager Viagra for your server (http://www.uk.freebsd.org) Pavilion Internet plc. [joe@pavilion.net, joe@uk.freebsd.org, joe@tao.org.uk] From owner-freebsd-users@melt.server.pavilion.net Tue Jun 22 21:21:37 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-users@listserver.pavilion.net Received: from florence.pavilion.net (florence.pavilion.net [194.242.128.25]) by melt.server.pavilion.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 038D91DB8 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 21:21:36 +0100 (BST) Received: from probity.mcc.ac.uk (probity.mcc.ac.uk [130.88.200.94]) by florence.pavilion.net (8.9.2/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA50646 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 21:21:36 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from ljohns@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org) Received: from [130.88.200.97] (helo=dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org) by probity.mcc.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.92 #3) for freebsd-users@uk.freebsd.org id 10wX32-000LKD-00; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 21:21:36 +0100 Received: (from ljohns@localhost) by dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org (8.9.3/8.9.1) id VAA95691 for freebsd-users@uk.freebsd.org; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 21:21:35 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from ljohns) Message-ID: <19990622212135.A95680@freebsd-uk.eu.org> Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 21:21:35 +0100 From: Lee Johnston To: freebsd-users@uk.freebsd.org Subject: [Freebsd-users] New Mailing List Installed! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i Sender: ljohns@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org Just to let everyone know, Joe and I have completed migration of the freebsd-users mailing list from dogma to listserver.uk.freebsd.org. Users of the mailing list shouldn't notice any difference in posting messages or subscribing and unsubscribing. The new mailing list is running on MailMan, which provides many additional features to majordomo, including: A Web Interface to allow alteration to user accounts. The Subject line will now include the name of the list for those subscribed to more than one mailing list. Mail can be sent to the list using the previous address, and also using the following: freebsd-users@uk.freebsd.org freebsd-users@freebsd.org.uk From now on the official address for the mailing list will be freebsd-users@uk.freebsd.org. Subscribe and unsubscribe requests can be sent to majordomo@freebsd-uk.eu.org for the moment (hopefully, this will be removed eventually), and also on the web-site (http://listserver.uk.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-users) and to freebsd-users-request@uk.freebsd.org. If you have any queries please e-mail me at lee@uk.freebsd.org. Regards, Lee. From owner-freebsd-users@melt.server.pavilion.net Tue Jun 22 21:26:04 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-users@listserver.pavilion.net Received: from florence.pavilion.net (florence.pavilion.net [194.242.128.25]) by melt.server.pavilion.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 657CF1DB8 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 21:26:04 +0100 (BST) Received: from probity.mcc.ac.uk (probity.mcc.ac.uk [130.88.200.94]) by florence.pavilion.net (8.9.2/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA51277 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 21:26:03 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from lee@uk.freebsd.org) Received: from [130.88.200.97] (helo=dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org) by probity.mcc.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.92 #3) for freebsd-users@uk.freebsd.org id 10wX7G-000LNo-00; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 21:26:03 +0100 Received: from serenity.mcc.ac.uk (serenity.mcc.ac.uk [130.88.200.93]) by dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA95724 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 21:25:54 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from mark@grondar.za) Received: from [196.7.18.65] (helo=gratis.grondar.za) by serenity.mcc.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.92 #3) for freebsd-users@freebsd-uk.eu.org id 10wX79-00067g-00; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 21:25:53 +0100 Received: from grondar.za (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gratis.grondar.za (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA40685; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 22:22:09 +0200 (SAST) (envelope-from mark@grondar.za) Message-Id: <199906222022.WAA40685@gratis.grondar.za> To: paul@originative.co.uk Cc: brian@Awfulhak.org, freebsd-users@freebsd-uk.eu.org Subject: [Freebsd-users] Re: cvs commit: src/etc pccard.conf.sample Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 22:22:08 +0200 From: Mark Murray Sender: lee@uk.freebsd.org > Hmm, if people want to meet up in Oxford then I'll get on and arrange > something but I don't think I could organise anything for London that night. > I don't know London that well and Saturday night doesn't seem an ideal night > to meet up there unless someone knows of a quiet (ish) pub. > > What do people want to do? Anything involving FreeBSD and beer! :-) > Would Sunday in Oxford be OK for you Brian? I've got Monday off :-) > > How long are you in the UK Mark? Until saturday 3rd July. M -- Mark Murray Join the anti-SPAM movement: http://www.cauce.org From owner-freebsd-users@melt.server.pavilion.net Tue Jun 22 21:26:38 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-users@listserver.pavilion.net Received: from florence.pavilion.net (florence.pavilion.net [194.242.128.25]) by melt.server.pavilion.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 820BF1DD0 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 21:26:38 +0100 (BST) Received: from serenity.mcc.ac.uk (serenity.mcc.ac.uk [130.88.200.93]) by florence.pavilion.net (8.9.2/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA51371 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 21:26:38 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from lee@uk.freebsd.org) Received: from [130.88.200.97] (helo=dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org) by serenity.mcc.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.92 #3) for freebsd-users@uk.freebsd.org id 10wX7t-00069Z-00; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 21:26:37 +0100 Received: from serenity.mcc.ac.uk (serenity.mcc.ac.uk [130.88.200.93]) by dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA95727 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 21:26:37 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from joe@florence.pavilion.net) Received: from [194.242.128.25] (helo=florence.pavilion.net) by serenity.mcc.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.92 #3) for freebsd-users@freebsd-uk.eu.org id 10wX7s-00069X-00; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 21:26:36 +0100 Received: (from joe@localhost) by florence.pavilion.net (8.9.2/8.8.8) id VAA51169; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 21:25:19 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from joe) Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 21:25:19 +0100 From: Josef Karthauser To: Mark Ovens Cc: Tony Finch , freebsd-users@freebsd-uk.eu.org Subject: [Freebsd-users] Re: cvs commit: src/etc pccard.conf.sample Message-ID: <19990622212519.C48085@pavilion.net> References: <14190.39248.63702.61680@chiark.greenend.org.uk> <19990622200836.A583@marder-1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <19990622200836.A583@marder-1>; from Mark Ovens on Tue, Jun 22, 1999 at 08:08:36PM +0100 X-NCC-RegID: uk.pavilion Organisation: Pavilion Internet plc, 24 The Old Steine, Brighton, BN1 1EL, England Phone: +44-845-333-5000 Fax: +44-845-333-5001 Mobile: +44-403-596893 Sender: lee@uk.freebsd.org On Tue, Jun 22, 1999 at 08:08:36PM +0100, Mark Ovens wrote: > On Mon, Jun 21, 1999 at 08:58:08PM +0100, Tony Finch wrote: > > Winner, International Obfuscated C Code Competition 1998 > And your winning entry was? > > -- > FreeBSD - The Power To Serve http://www.freebsd.org > My Webpage http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~markov > _______________________________________________________________ > Mark Ovens, CNC Apps Engineer, Radan Computational Ltd. Bath UK > CAD/CAM solutions for Sheetmetal Working Industry > mailto:markov@globalnet.co.uk http://www.radan.com > > > -------- FreeBSD UK User's Group - Mailing List --------- > To unsubscribe send a message to majordomo@freebsd-uk.eu.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-users" in the body. How many sigs ;) ? -- Josef Karthauser FreeBSD: How many times have you booted today? Technical Manager Viagra for your server (http://www.uk.freebsd.org) Pavilion Internet plc. [joe@pavilion.net, joe@uk.freebsd.org, joe@tao.org.uk] From owner-freebsd-users@melt.server.pavilion.net Tue Jun 22 22:56:07 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-users@listserver.pavilion.net Received: from florence.pavilion.net (florence.pavilion.net [194.242.128.25]) by melt.server.pavilion.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 649851DC1 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 22:56:07 +0100 (BST) Received: from bamf.demon.co.uk (bamf.demon.co.uk [158.152.173.140]) by florence.pavilion.net (8.9.2/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA62286 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 22:56:06 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from rich@dynamite.org) Received: from clyde (unverified [192.168.1.2]) by clyde.chugaboom.net (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 22:56:06 +0100 Message-ID: From: "Rich Wood" Organization: dynamite.org To: freebsd-users@uk.freebsd.org Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 22:56:06 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: [Freebsd-users] Re: FreeBSD Con '99: Who's going? Reply-To: rich@dynamite.org Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.11) On 21 Jun 99, at 19:41, Nik Clayton wrote: > Folks, > > Is anyone else from the UKUG planning on going to Berkeley for the > FreeBSD Convention later this year, . > > I'm planning on going out from Saturday 16th until Sunday 24th. Perhaps > we could have a UKUG meeting in San Francisco (!) I'll go if I win the lottery (no chance of that then). On a slightly cheaper note, is anyone going to Networks99 at the NEC next week? Rich -- rich@dynamite.org If that's what they call normal, I'd rather be insane. From owner-freebsd-users@melt.server.pavilion.net Wed Jun 23 07:04:49 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-users@listserver.pavilion.net Received: from florence.pavilion.net (florence.pavilion.net [194.242.128.25]) by melt.server.pavilion.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14CB81DC9 for ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 07:04:49 +0100 (BST) Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by florence.pavilion.net (8.9.2/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA95778; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 07:04:48 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from dom@myrddin.demon.co.uk) Received: from myrddin.demon.co.uk ([158.152.54.180]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10wg9P-0007Fc-0A; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 06:04:48 +0000 Received: from dom by myrddin.demon.co.uk with local (Exim 1.92 #1) id 10wg9D-00009k-00; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 07:04:35 +0100 Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 07:04:35 +0100 To: Lee Johnston Cc: freebsd-users@uk.freebsd.org Subject: Re: [Freebsd-users] New Mailing List Installed! Message-ID: <19990623070435.A584@myrddin.demon.co.uk> References: <19990622212135.A95680@freebsd-uk.eu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <19990622212135.A95680@freebsd-uk.eu.org>; from Lee Johnston on Tue, Jun 22, 1999 at 09:21:35PM +0100 From: Dom Mitchell On Tue, Jun 22, 1999 at 09:21:35PM +0100, Lee Johnston wrote: > Just to let everyone know, Joe and I have completed migration of the > freebsd-users mailing list from dogma to listserver.uk.freebsd.org. > > Users of the mailing list shouldn't notice any difference in posting messages > or subscribing and unsubscribing. > > The new mailing list is running on MailMan, which provides many additional > features to majordomo, including: > > A Web Interface to allow alteration to user accounts. Bonzer idea. Can you still do it through the usual -request address, though? (just checking). > The Subject line will now include the name of the list for those > subscribed to more than one mailing list. Is this an absolute necessity? The mailing list details are stamped in enough places in the headers already... If you're on several mailing lists and still getting them all delivered to /var/mail/user, then you've got a problem. I am quite happy to provide support to people in setting up procmail in this case. -- When I said "we", officer, I was referring to myself, the four young ladies, and, of course, the goat. From owner-freebsd-users@melt.server.pavilion.net Wed Jun 23 08:39:55 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-users@listserver.pavilion.net Received: from florence.pavilion.net (florence.pavilion.net [194.242.128.25]) by melt.server.pavilion.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 568B41DC4 for ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 08:39:55 +0100 (BST) Received: from post.ruh-bath.swest.nhs.uk (hide14.nhs.uk [194.6.81.14]) by florence.pavilion.net (8.9.2/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA06035; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 08:39:54 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from rich@ruh-bath.swest.nhs.uk) Received: by post.ruh-bath.swest.nhs.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 08:40:46 +0100 Message-ID: <930BFA16390CD3119E010000F6E660C9A47B@fear.ruh-bath.swest.nhs.uk> From: "Wood, Richard" To: "'Dom Mitchell'" , Lee Johnston Cc: freebsd-users@uk.freebsd.org Subject: RE: [Freebsd-users] New Mailing List Installed! Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 08:40:43 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > -----Original Message----- > From: Dom Mitchell [mailto:dom@myrddin.demon.co.uk] > Sent: 23 June 1999 07:05 > Is this an absolute necessity? The mailing list details are > stamped in > enough places in the headers already... Indeed. IMHO it adds nothing to the useability/filterabilty of the list, and only serves to reduce the visible useful content of the subject line. Rich -- Rich Wood, Systems Manager, Royal United Hospital, Bath rich@ruh-bath.swest.nhs.uk From owner-freebsd-users@melt.server.pavilion.net Wed Jun 23 09:12:13 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-users@listserver.pavilion.net Received: from storm.FreeBSD.org.uk (storm.freebsd.org.uk [194.242.128.198]) by melt.server.pavilion.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 650881DC6 for ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 09:12:13 +0100 (BST) Received: from keep.lan.Awfulhak.org (keep.lan.Awfulhak.org [172.16.0.8]) by storm.FreeBSD.org.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA38027; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 09:12:11 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from brian@keep.lan.Awfulhak.org) Received: from keep.lan.Awfulhak.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by keep.lan.Awfulhak.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA00887; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 08:30:22 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from brian@keep.lan.Awfulhak.org) Message-Id: <199906230730.IAA00887@keep.lan.Awfulhak.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Dom Mitchell Cc: Lee Johnston , freebsd-users@uk.freebsd.org Subject: Re: [Freebsd-users] New Mailing List Installed! In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 23 Jun 1999 07:04:35 BST." <19990623070435.A584@myrddin.demon.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 08:30:22 +0100 From: Brian Somers Sender: brian@keep.lan.Awfulhak.org [.....] > > The Subject line will now include the name of the list for those > > subscribed to more than one mailing list. > > Is this an absolute necessity? The mailing list details are stamped in > enough places in the headers already... The Sender line may be sufficient to keep things sane :-) -- Brian Don't _EVER_ lose your sense of humour ! From owner-freebsd-users@melt.server.pavilion.net Wed Jun 23 09:16:51 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-users@listserver.pavilion.net Received: from florence.pavilion.net (florence.pavilion.net [194.242.128.25]) by melt.server.pavilion.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D0B01DC9 for ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 09:16:51 +0100 (BST) Received: (from joe@localhost) by florence.pavilion.net (8.9.2/8.8.8) id JAA13732; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 09:15:34 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from joe) Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 09:15:33 +0100 From: Josef Karthauser To: Brian Somers Cc: Dom Mitchell , Lee Johnston , freebsd-users@uk.freebsd.org Subject: Re: [Freebsd-users] New Mailing List Installed! Message-ID: <19990623091533.B27440@pavilion.net> References: <19990623070435.A584@myrddin.demon.co.uk> <199906230730.IAA00887@keep.lan.Awfulhak.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <199906230730.IAA00887@keep.lan.Awfulhak.org>; from Brian Somers on Wed, Jun 23, 1999 at 08:30:22AM +0100 X-NCC-RegID: uk.pavilion Organisation: Pavilion Internet plc, 24 The Old Steine, Brighton, BN1 1EL, England Phone: +44-845-333-5000 Fax: +44-845-333-5001 Mobile: +44-403-596893 Sender: joe@florence.pavilion.net On Wed, Jun 23, 1999 at 08:30:22AM +0100, Brian Somers wrote: > [.....] > > > The Subject line will now include the name of the list for those > > > subscribed to more than one mailing list. > > > > Is this an absolute necessity? The mailing list details are stamped in > > enough places in the headers already... > > The Sender line may be sufficient to keep things sane :-) Lee's the guy to lobby to switch it off. Me - I like it. I don't filter this list, and read it from my main mail-box, so the subject line is useful for me. That said, it should be fairly easy to cook up a procmail rule to insert it at my end. That said when I start replying to mails you guys will probably tell me off for corrupting the subject line ;) Joe -- Josef Karthauser FreeBSD: How many times have you booted today? Technical Manager Viagra for your server (http://www.uk.freebsd.org) Pavilion Internet plc. [joe@pavilion.net, joe@uk.freebsd.org, joe@tao.org.uk] From owner-freebsd-users@melt.server.pavilion.net Wed Jun 23 10:52:28 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-users@listserver.pavilion.net Received: from florence.pavilion.net (florence.pavilion.net [194.242.128.25]) by melt.server.pavilion.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3B731DA1 for ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 10:52:27 +0100 (BST) Received: from probity.mcc.ac.uk (probity.mcc.ac.uk [130.88.200.94]) by florence.pavilion.net (8.9.2/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA41980; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 10:52:27 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from ip@albatross.mcc.ac.uk) Received: from [130.88.202.16] (helo=albatross.mcc.ac.uk) by probity.mcc.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.92 #3) id 10wjhj-0004JN-00; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 10:52:27 +0100 Received: (from ip@localhost) by albatross.mcc.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.1) id KAA12834; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 10:52:26 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from ip) From: Ian Pallfreeman Message-Id: <199906230952.KAA12834@albatross.mcc.ac.uk> Subject: Re: [Freebsd-users] New Mailing List Installed! In-Reply-To: <19990622212135.A95680@freebsd-uk.eu.org> from Lee Johnston at "Jun 22, 1999 9:21:35 pm" To: lee@uk.freebsd.org (Lee Johnston) Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 10:52:26 +0100 (BST) Cc: freebsd-users@uk.freebsd.org Reply-To: ip@mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Just to let everyone know, Joe and I have completed migration of the > freebsd-users mailing list from dogma to listserver.uk.freebsd.org. Since it was primarily set up to run a majordomo server, the box known as dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org will be decommissioned at the end this month. Ian. -- Network Unit, Manchester Computing, The University, Manchester, UK. mail: ip@mcc.ac.uk | phone: +44-161-275-6006 | fax: +44-161-275-6040 "Europe's Premier Research Supercomputing Facility" We'd rather be down for a week than spend $60 fixing a problem. From owner-freebsd-users@melt.server.pavilion.net Wed Jun 23 11:20:31 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-users@listserver.pavilion.net Received: from storm.FreeBSD.org.uk (storm.freebsd.org.uk [194.242.128.198]) by melt.server.pavilion.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3359B1DA1 for ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 11:20:31 +0100 (BST) Received: from keep.lan.Awfulhak.org (keep.lan.Awfulhak.org [172.16.0.8]) by storm.FreeBSD.org.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA38294; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 11:20:18 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from brian@keep.lan.Awfulhak.org) Received: from keep.lan.Awfulhak.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by keep.lan.Awfulhak.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA02644; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 11:19:25 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from brian@keep.lan.Awfulhak.org) Message-Id: <199906231019.LAA02644@keep.lan.Awfulhak.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Brian Somers Cc: paul@originative.co.uk, joe@pavilion.net, mark@grondar.za, Tony Finch , freebsd-users@uk.freebsd.org Subject: [Freebsd-users] Re: cvs commit: src/etc pccard.conf.sample In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 22 Jun 1999 08:43:53 BST." <199906220743.IAA01156@keep.lan.Awfulhak.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 11:19:25 +0100 From: Brian Somers Sender: brian@keep.lan.Awfulhak.org [.....] > I think Saturday was the only thing on the Cards last time Mark knew > anything about any meetings.... and London was the only place > mentioned. > > Tony F & Joe K have said they'll probably turn up. Tony's from > London (I think) and Joe's from Brighton, so I suspect London really > is the best bet. Tony, how are you with pubs ? I'm a kept man, so I > rarely get to sample Londons delights (hey, I rarely get to go out > for a beer either !). I suspect we need to decide on a location > pretty soon either way, otherwise people will have a good excuse not > to be able to make it ! Mark rang me this morning. He's staying in Barnett, and is available on Sunday, so I suspect that'll be the day. He's got access to email, although probably only once a day and I've got his phone number. He has a wheelchair in tow, so Oxford is pretty much out (sorry Paul!). I'd suggest somewhere in the West End - maybe Covent Garden or Leicester Square, but I know next to nothing about the pubs around here... Can someone make a suggestion - ASAP ? Also, is anybody going to be driving in that could see their way to go back via Barnett ? Dom (non-drinker) and Paul (maybe driving anyway) spring to mind :*) I'd suggest a time of about 19:00. Takers ? > -- > Brian > > Don't _EVER_ lose your sense of humour ! From owner-freebsd-users@melt.server.pavilion.net Wed Jun 23 11:26:56 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-users@listserver.pavilion.net Received: from storm.FreeBSD.org.uk (storm.freebsd.org.uk [194.242.128.198]) by melt.server.pavilion.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1964F1DA1 for ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 11:26:56 +0100 (BST) Received: from keep.lan.Awfulhak.org (keep.lan.Awfulhak.org [172.16.0.8]) by storm.FreeBSD.org.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA38309; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 11:26:54 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from brian@keep.lan.Awfulhak.org) Received: from keep.lan.Awfulhak.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by keep.lan.Awfulhak.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA02676; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 11:26:04 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from brian@keep.lan.Awfulhak.org) Message-Id: <199906231026.LAA02676@keep.lan.Awfulhak.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Lee Johnston , "Josef L. Karthauser" Cc: freebsd-users@uk.freebsd.org Subject: [Freebsd-users] Re: New Mailing List Installed! In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 22 Jun 1999 21:21:35 BST." <19990622212135.A95680@freebsd-uk.eu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 11:26:03 +0100 From: Brian Somers Sender: brian@keep.lan.Awfulhak.org > Just to let everyone know, Joe and I have completed migration of the > freebsd-users mailing list from dogma to listserver.uk.freebsd.org. Well done ! Thanks. [.....] > ------ FreeBSD UK User's Group - Mailing List ------ > http://listserver.uk.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-users Two things though... first, listserver.freebsd.org.uk doesn't work. I think this is something to do with the MX records for freebsd.org.uk and uk.freebsd.org varying. Second, I vote we remove the [freebsd-users] from the subject line (sorry Joe :-) -- Brian Don't _EVER_ lose your sense of humour ! From owner-freebsd-users@melt.server.pavilion.net Wed Jun 23 13:25:32 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-users@listserver.pavilion.net Received: from florence.pavilion.net (florence.pavilion.net [194.242.128.25]) by melt.server.pavilion.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 361661DA1 for ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 13:25:32 +0100 (BST) Received: (from joe@localhost) by florence.pavilion.net (8.9.2/8.8.8) id NAA83028; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 13:24:11 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from joe) Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 13:24:11 +0100 From: Josef Karthauser To: Brian Somers Cc: Lee Johnston , freebsd-users@uk.freebsd.org Subject: Re: New Mailing List Installed! Message-ID: <19990623132411.C27440@pavilion.net> References: <19990622212135.A95680@freebsd-uk.eu.org> <199906231026.LAA02676@keep.lan.Awfulhak.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <199906231026.LAA02676@keep.lan.Awfulhak.org>; from Brian Somers on Wed, Jun 23, 1999 at 11:26:03AM +0100 X-NCC-RegID: uk.pavilion Organisation: Pavilion Internet plc, 24 The Old Steine, Brighton, BN1 1EL, England Phone: +44-845-333-5000 Fax: +44-845-333-5001 Mobile: +44-403-596893 Sender: joe@florence.pavilion.net On Wed, Jun 23, 1999 at 11:26:03AM +0100, Brian Somers wrote: > > Two things though... first, listserver.freebsd.org.uk doesn't work. I > think this is something to do with the MX records for freebsd.org.uk > and uk.freebsd.org varying. > Nope, I just forgot to setup a CNAME for it. Done. > Second, I vote we remove the [freebsd-users] from the subject line > (sorry Joe :-) Ok - 'tis done. Joe > > Don't _EVER_ lose your sense of humour ! > Since when have I had a sense of humour ;) ? -- Josef Karthauser FreeBSD: How many times have you booted today? Technical Manager Viagra for your server (http://www.uk.freebsd.org) Pavilion Internet plc. [joe@pavilion.net, joe@uk.freebsd.org, joe@tao.org.uk] From owner-freebsd-users@melt.server.pavilion.net Wed Jun 23 13:27:00 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-users@listserver.pavilion.net Received: from florence.pavilion.net (florence.pavilion.net [194.242.128.25]) by melt.server.pavilion.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0049E1DBC for ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 13:26:59 +0100 (BST) Received: (from joe@localhost) by florence.pavilion.net (8.9.2/8.8.8) id NAA83318; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 13:25:19 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from joe) Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 13:25:19 +0100 From: Josef Karthauser To: Brian Somers Cc: paul@originative.co.uk, mark@grondar.za, Tony Finch , freebsd-users@uk.freebsd.org Subject: Re: [Freebsd-users] Re: cvs commit: src/etc pccard.conf.sample Message-ID: <19990623132519.D27440@pavilion.net> References: <199906220743.IAA01156@keep.lan.Awfulhak.org> <199906231019.LAA02644@keep.lan.Awfulhak.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <199906231019.LAA02644@keep.lan.Awfulhak.org>; from Brian Somers on Wed, Jun 23, 1999 at 11:19:25AM +0100 X-NCC-RegID: uk.pavilion Organisation: Pavilion Internet plc, 24 The Old Steine, Brighton, BN1 1EL, England Phone: +44-845-333-5000 Fax: +44-845-333-5001 Mobile: +44-403-596893 Sender: joe@florence.pavilion.net On Wed, Jun 23, 1999 at 11:19:25AM +0100, Brian Somers wrote: > [.....] > > I'd suggest a time of about 19:00. > > Takers ? > Ok with me. Joe -- Josef Karthauser FreeBSD: How many times have you booted today? Technical Manager Viagra for your server (http://www.uk.freebsd.org) Pavilion Internet plc. [joe@pavilion.net, joe@uk.freebsd.org, joe@tao.org.uk] From owner-freebsd-users@melt.server.pavilion.net Wed Jun 23 16:42:48 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-users@listserver.pavilion.net Received: from florence.pavilion.net (florence.pavilion.net [194.242.128.25]) by melt.server.pavilion.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA0821DA1 for ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 16:42:47 +0100 (BST) Received: from probity.mcc.ac.uk (probity.mcc.ac.uk [130.88.200.94]) by florence.pavilion.net (8.9.2/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA41234 for ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 16:42:45 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from ljohns@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org) Received: from [130.88.200.97] (helo=dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org) by probity.mcc.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.92 #3) for freebsd-users@uk.freebsd.org id 10wpAg-000Aeo-00; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 16:42:42 +0100 Received: (from ljohns@localhost) by dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org (8.9.3/8.9.1) id QAA97910 for freebsd-users@uk.freebsd.org; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 16:42:41 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from ljohns) Message-ID: <19990623164241.A97865@freebsd-uk.eu.org> Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 16:42:41 +0100 From: Lee Johnston To: freebsd-users@uk.freebsd.org Subject: Dogma Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i Sender: ljohns@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org Just to let everyone with accounts, etc on dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org, I spoke to Ian a few minutes ago, and we decided to keep dogma running as it currently hosts the web-site and ukug.uk.freebsd.org accounts. Regards, Lee. From owner-freebsd-users@melt.server.pavilion.net Wed Jun 23 16:51:19 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-users@listserver.pavilion.net Received: from florence.pavilion.net (florence.pavilion.net [194.242.128.25]) by melt.server.pavilion.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAA4D1DA1 for ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 16:51:18 +0100 (BST) Received: from serenity.mcc.ac.uk (serenity.mcc.ac.uk [130.88.200.93]) by florence.pavilion.net (8.9.2/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA43571 for ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 16:51:16 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from ljohns@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org) Received: from [130.88.200.97] (helo=dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org) by serenity.mcc.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.92 #3) for freebsd-users@uk.freebsd.org id 10wpIx-000GTF-00; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 16:51:15 +0100 Received: (from ljohns@localhost) by dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org (8.9.3/8.9.1) id QAA97960 for freebsd-users@uk.freebsd.org; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 16:51:15 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from ljohns) Message-ID: <19990623165114.B97945@freebsd-uk.eu.org> Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 16:51:14 +0100 From: Lee Johnston To: freebsd-users@uk.freebsd.org Subject: freebsd.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i Sender: ljohns@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org I remember about a month ago a discussion about the freebsd.co.uk, what happend about this? Did anyone contact shellnet regarding it? Regards, Lee. From owner-freebsd-users@melt.server.pavilion.net Wed Jun 23 16:52:47 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-users@listserver.pavilion.net Received: from florence.pavilion.net (florence.pavilion.net [194.242.128.25]) by melt.server.pavilion.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2BCB1DA1 for ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 16:52:47 +0100 (BST) Received: (from joe@localhost) by florence.pavilion.net (8.9.2/8.8.8) id QAA43985; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 16:52:44 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from joe) Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 16:52:44 +0100 From: Josef Karthauser To: Lee Johnston Cc: freebsd-users@uk.freebsd.org Subject: Re: freebsd.co.uk Message-ID: <19990623165244.K27440@pavilion.net> References: <19990623165114.B97945@freebsd-uk.eu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <19990623165114.B97945@freebsd-uk.eu.org>; from Lee Johnston on Wed, Jun 23, 1999 at 04:51:14PM +0100 X-NCC-RegID: uk.pavilion Organisation: Pavilion Internet plc, 24 The Old Steine, Brighton, BN1 1EL, England Phone: +44-845-333-5000 Fax: +44-845-333-5001 Mobile: +44-403-596893 Sender: joe@florence.pavilion.net On Wed, Jun 23, 1999 at 04:51:14PM +0100, Lee Johnston wrote: > I remember about a month ago a discussion about the freebsd.co.uk, what > happend about this? Did anyone contact shellnet regarding it? > > Regards, > > Lee. Someone from Shellnet mailed back to the list if I remember correctly. I don't know what they want to do with the domain though. BTW I've registered bsd.org.uk now, although free.bsd.org.uk is a pretty lame address :) Joe -- Josef Karthauser FreeBSD: How many times have you booted today? Technical Manager Viagra for your server (http://www.uk.freebsd.org) Pavilion Internet plc. [joe@pavilion.net, joe@uk.freebsd.org, joe@tao.org.uk] From owner-freebsd-users@melt.server.pavilion.net Wed Jun 23 17:41:57 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-users@listserver.pavilion.net Received: from florence.pavilion.net (florence.pavilion.net [194.242.128.25]) by melt.server.pavilion.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BDA31DA1 for ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 17:41:57 +0100 (BST) Received: (from joe@localhost) by florence.pavilion.net (8.9.2/8.8.8) id RAA59733; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 17:41:56 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from joe) Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 17:41:56 +0100 From: Josef Karthauser To: c.raven@ukonline.co.uk Cc: freebsd-users@uk.freebsd.org Subject: Re: Re: freebsd.co.uk Message-ID: <19990623174156.O27440@pavilion.net> References: <19990623163625.3E0BB1D862@physalis.www.easynet.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <19990623163625.3E0BB1D862@physalis.www.easynet.net>; from c.raven@ukonline.co.uk on Wed, Jun 23, 1999 at 05:36:25PM +0100 X-NCC-RegID: uk.pavilion Organisation: Pavilion Internet plc, 24 The Old Steine, Brighton, BN1 1EL, England Phone: +44-845-333-5000 Fax: +44-845-333-5001 Mobile: +44-403-596893 Sender: joe@florence.pavilion.net On Wed, Jun 23, 1999 at 05:36:25PM +0100, c.raven@ukonline.co.uk wrote: > On Wed, 23 Jun 1999 16:52:44 +0100, Josef Karthauser wrote: > > > > I don't know what they want to do with the domain though. > > BTW I've registered bsd.org.uk now, although free.bsd.org.uk is > > a pretty lame address :) > > > > Joe > > Would there be a legal problem using a name which incorporated the word unix ? > With respect to what? Joe -- Josef Karthauser FreeBSD: How many times have you booted today? Technical Manager Viagra for your server (http://www.uk.freebsd.org) Pavilion Internet plc. [joe@pavilion.net, joe@uk.freebsd.org, joe@tao.org.uk] From owner-freebsd-users@melt.server.pavilion.net Wed Jun 23 18:14:24 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-users@listserver.pavilion.net Received: from florence.pavilion.net (florence.pavilion.net [194.242.128.25]) by melt.server.pavilion.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BC4A1DA1 for ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 18:14:24 +0100 (BST) Received: from chiark.greenend.org.uk (mail@chiark.greenend.org.uk [195.224.76.132]) by florence.pavilion.net (8.9.2/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA66094; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 18:14:21 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from fanf@chiark.greenend.org.uk) Received: from fanf by chiark.greenend.org.uk with local (Exim 2.02 #1) id 10wqbJ-0000UO-00 (Debian); Wed, 23 Jun 1999 18:14:17 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14193.5609.304938.729412@chiark.greenend.org.uk> Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 18:14:17 +0100 (BST) From: Tony Finch To: Brian Somers Cc: paul@originative.co.uk, joe@pavilion.net, mark@grondar.za, Tony Finch , freebsd-users@uk.freebsd.org Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/etc pccard.conf.sample In-Reply-To: <199906231019.LAA02644@keep.lan.Awfulhak.org> References: <199906220743.IAA01156@keep.lan.Awfulhak.org> <199906231019.LAA02644@keep.lan.Awfulhak.org> X-Mailer: VM 6.47 under Emacs 19.34.1 Sender: Tony Finch Brian Somers writes: > [.....] > > > Tony F & Joe K have said they'll probably turn up. Tony's from > > London (I think) and Joe's from Brighton, so I suspect London really > > is the best bet. Tony, how are you with pubs ? I'm not particularly knowledgeable of central London pubs, I'm afraid, since my local's in Finchley where I live & work. > Can someone make a suggestion - ASAP ? As a default we can go to the Prince of Wales at the corner of Long Acre and Drury Lane which was used for the last London meet. Covent Garden & Holborn are the nearest tube stations. http://www.streetmap.co.uk/streetmap.dll?tile2map?TQ38SW02&Street+Map+for+Drury+Lane,+WC2&~&~&~ Tony. -- f.a.n.finch dot@dotat.at fanf@demon.net Winner, International Obfuscated C Code Competition 1998 From owner-freebsd-users@melt.server.pavilion.net Wed Jun 23 19:09:51 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-users@listserver.pavilion.net Received: from florence.pavilion.net (florence.pavilion.net [194.242.128.25]) by melt.server.pavilion.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA2EA1DA1 for ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 19:09:51 +0100 (BST) Received: from bamf.demon.co.uk (bamf.demon.co.uk [158.152.173.140]) by florence.pavilion.net (8.9.2/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA74970 for ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 19:09:51 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from rich@dynamite.org) Received: from clyde (unverified [192.168.1.2]) by clyde.chugaboom.net (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 18:22:23 +0100 Message-ID: From: "Rich Wood" Organization: dynamite.org To: Josef Karthauser , freebsd-users@uk.freebsd.org Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 18:22:22 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: freebsd.co.uk Reply-To: rich@dynamite.org Priority: normal In-reply-to: <19990623165244.K27440@pavilion.net> References: <19990623165114.B97945@freebsd-uk.eu.org>; from Lee Johnston on Wed, Jun 23, 1999 at 04:51:14PM +0100 X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.11) On 23 Jun 99, at 16:52, Josef Karthauser wrote: > BTW I've registered bsd.org.uk now, although free.bsd.org.uk is > a pretty lame address :) I dunno, forcing people to use whoever@uk.ug.uk.free.bsd.org.uk would put a stop to the current argueing over the relative merits of uk.freebsd.org and freebsd.org.uk :-) Rich -- rich@dynamite.org If that's what they call normal, I'd rather be insane. From owner-freebsd-users@melt.server.pavilion.net Wed Jun 23 19:11:30 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-users@listserver.pavilion.net Received: from florence.pavilion.net (florence.pavilion.net [194.242.128.25]) by melt.server.pavilion.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6128A1DA1 for ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 19:11:30 +0100 (BST) Received: (from joe@localhost) by florence.pavilion.net (8.9.2/8.8.8) id TAA75428; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 19:11:28 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from joe) Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 19:11:28 +0100 From: Josef Karthauser To: Rich Wood Cc: freebsd-users@uk.freebsd.org Subject: Re: freebsd.co.uk Message-ID: <19990623191128.P27440@pavilion.net> References: <19990623165114.B97945@freebsd-uk.eu.org>; <19990623165244.K27440@pavilion.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: ; from Rich Wood on Wed, Jun 23, 1999 at 06:22:22PM +0100 X-NCC-RegID: uk.pavilion Organisation: Pavilion Internet plc, 24 The Old Steine, Brighton, BN1 1EL, England Phone: +44-845-333-5000 Fax: +44-845-333-5001 Mobile: +44-403-596893 Sender: joe@florence.pavilion.net On Wed, Jun 23, 1999 at 06:22:22PM +0100, Rich Wood wrote: > On 23 Jun 99, at 16:52, Josef Karthauser wrote: > > > BTW I've registered bsd.org.uk now, although free.bsd.org.uk is > > a pretty lame address :) > > I dunno, forcing people to use whoever@uk.ug.uk.free.bsd.org.uk would put > a stop to the current argueing over the relative merits of uk.freebsd.org > and freebsd.org.uk :-) Yeah ;o) free.internet.forever.free.bsd.org.uk, or user@we.guarantee.that.youll.never.have.to.pay.for.free.bsd.org.uk Joe -- Josef Karthauser FreeBSD: How many times have you booted today? Technical Manager Viagra for your server (http://www.uk.freebsd.org) Pavilion Internet plc. [joe@pavilion.net, joe@uk.freebsd.org, joe@tao.org.uk] From owner-freebsd-users@melt.server.pavilion.net Wed Jun 23 19:14:00 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-users@listserver.pavilion.net Received: from florence.pavilion.net (florence.pavilion.net [194.242.128.25]) by melt.server.pavilion.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 459381DA1 for ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 19:14:00 +0100 (BST) Received: from chiark.greenend.org.uk (mail@chiark.greenend.org.uk [195.224.76.132]) by florence.pavilion.net (8.9.2/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA75823 for ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 19:14:00 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from fanf@chiark.greenend.org.uk) Received: from fanf by chiark.greenend.org.uk with local (Exim 2.02 #1) id 10wrX5-00011j-00 (Debian); Wed, 23 Jun 1999 19:13:59 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14193.9190.810074.119160@chiark.greenend.org.uk> Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 19:13:58 +0100 (BST) From: Tony Finch To: freebsd-users@uk.freebsd.org Subject: London meets X-Mailer: VM 6.47 under Emacs 19.34.1 Sender: Tony Finch In case anyone is interested in coming along, I'll be at the LUUG meeting tomorrow evening from 19:00-ish. It's a regular monthly meet (last Thursday) which sometimes includes a talk, but this time is just pub & meal. . Apologies for the short notice, but it just occurred to me :-) Tony. From owner-freebsd-users@melt.server.pavilion.net Thu Jun 24 06:46:22 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-users@listserver.pavilion.net Received: from florence.pavilion.net (florence.pavilion.net [194.242.128.25]) by melt.server.pavilion.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CFD81DA1 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 06:46:21 +0100 (BST) Received: from bluecat.pavilion.net (bluecat.pavilion.net [194.242.144.8]) by florence.pavilion.net (8.9.2/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA45457 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 06:46:14 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from brian@Awfulhak.org) Received: from awfulhak.org (awfulhak.force9.co.uk [195.166.136.63]) by bluecat.pavilion.net (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA38035 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 06:46:13 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from brian@Awfulhak.org) Received: from keep.lan.Awfulhak.org (keep.lan.Awfulhak.org [172.16.0.8]) by awfulhak.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA28719; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 06:37:13 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from brian@lan.awfulhak.org) Received: from keep.lan.Awfulhak.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by keep.lan.Awfulhak.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA27260; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 06:36:21 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from brian@keep.lan.Awfulhak.org) Message-Id: <199906240536.GAA27260@keep.lan.Awfulhak.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Tony Finch Cc: Brian Somers , paul@originative.co.uk, joe@pavilion.net, mark@grondar.za, freebsd-users@uk.freebsd.org Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/etc pccard.conf.sample In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 23 Jun 1999 18:14:17 BST." <14193.5609.304938.729412@chiark.greenend.org.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 06:36:21 +0100 From: Brian Somers > As a default we can go to the Prince of Wales at the corner of Long > Acre and Drury Lane which was used for the last London meet. > Covent Garden & Holborn are the nearest tube stations. > > http://www.streetmap.co.uk/streetmap.dll?tile2map?TQ38SW02&Street+Map+for+Drury+Lane,+WC2&~&~&~ Sounds like this makes the most sense. The Prince of Whales it is, at about 19:00 on Sunday. > Tony. > -- > f.a.n.finch dot@dotat.at fanf@demon.net > Winner, International Obfuscated C Code Competition 1998 -- Brian Don't _EVER_ lose your sense of humour ! From owner-freebsd-users@melt.server.pavilion.net Thu Jun 24 13:00:41 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-users@listserver.pavilion.net Received: from florence.pavilion.net (florence.pavilion.net [194.242.128.25]) by melt.server.pavilion.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 697AD1DA1 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 13:00:41 +0100 (BST) Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by florence.pavilion.net (8.9.2/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA22235 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 13:00:37 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from aw1@stade.co.uk) Received: from stade.demon.co.uk ([158.152.29.164]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10x8BG-0006mW-0A; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 12:00:35 +0000 Received: from mervyn.stade.co.uk (mervyn.stade.co.uk [192.168.1.8]) by stade.demon.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA51049; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 12:05:18 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from aw1@mervyn.stade.co.uk) Received: (from aw1@localhost) by mervyn.stade.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA13241; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 12:03:47 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from aw1) Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 12:03:47 +0100 From: Adrian Wontroba To: Brian Somers , freebsd-users@uk.freebsd.org Subject: Re: [Freebsd-users] Re: cvs commit: src/etc pccard.conf.sample Message-ID: <19990624120347.F11620@mervyn.stade.co.uk> Reply-To: aw1@stade.co.uk References: <199906220743.IAA01156@keep.lan.Awfulhak.org> <199906231019.LAA02644@keep.lan.Awfulhak.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.5i In-Reply-To: <199906231019.LAA02644@keep.lan.Awfulhak.org>; from Brian Somers on Wed, Jun 23, 1999 at 11:19:25AM +0100 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.2-STABLE Organization: Yes, I need some of that. X-Phone: +(44) 121 681 6677 On Wed, Jun 23, 1999 at 11:19:25AM +0100, Brian Somers wrote: > Takers ? Not me I'm afraid - my family have reminded me that I have a prior social arrangement. I'm taking them to see The Matrix. So, a FreeBSD activity after all (8-) -- Adrian Wontroba From owner-freebsd-users@melt.server.pavilion.net Thu Jun 24 16:21:57 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-users@listserver.pavilion.net Received: from storm.FreeBSD.org.uk (storm.freebsd.org.uk [194.242.128.198]) by melt.server.pavilion.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B51F1DA1 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 16:21:57 +0100 (BST) Received: from keep.lan.Awfulhak.org (keep.lan.Awfulhak.org [172.16.0.8]) by storm.FreeBSD.org.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA68614; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 16:21:56 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from brian@keep.lan.Awfulhak.org) Received: from keep.lan.Awfulhak.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by keep.lan.Awfulhak.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA01232; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 16:21:04 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from brian@keep.lan.Awfulhak.org) Message-Id: <199906241521.QAA01232@keep.lan.Awfulhak.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: aw1@stade.co.uk Cc: Brian Somers , freebsd-users@uk.freebsd.org Subject: Re: [Freebsd-users] Re: cvs commit: src/etc pccard.conf.sample In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 24 Jun 1999 12:03:47 BST." <19990624120347.F11620@mervyn.stade.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 16:21:04 +0100 From: Brian Somers Sender: brian@keep.lan.Awfulhak.org > On Wed, Jun 23, 1999 at 11:19:25AM +0100, Brian Somers wrote: > > > > Takers ? > > Not me I'm afraid - my family have reminded me that I have a prior > social arrangement. I'm taking them to see The Matrix. So, a FreeBSD > activity after all (8-) Best film I've seen in years ! Worth seeing more than once in the cinema !!! A truly valiant excuse ! > -- > Adrian Wontroba -- Brian Don't _EVER_ lose your sense of humour ! From owner-freebsd-users@melt.server.pavilion.net Thu Jun 24 18:42:18 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-users@listserver.pavilion.net Received: from florence.pavilion.net (florence.pavilion.net [194.242.128.25]) by melt.server.pavilion.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 986FE1DA1 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 18:42:18 +0100 (BST) Received: from gratis.grondar.za (gratis.grondar.za [196.7.18.65]) by florence.pavilion.net (8.9.2/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA05235; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 18:42:13 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from mark@grondar.za) Received: from grondar.za (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gratis.grondar.za (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA48199; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 19:39:24 +0200 (SAST) (envelope-from mark@grondar.za) Message-Id: <199906241739.TAA48199@gratis.grondar.za> To: Brian Somers Cc: Tony Finch , paul@originative.co.uk, joe@pavilion.net, freebsd-users@uk.freebsd.org Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/etc pccard.conf.sample Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 19:39:24 +0200 From: Mark Murray > Sounds like this makes the most sense. The Prince of Whales it is, > at about 19:00 on Sunday. Cool! I'll call you to make final arrangements... M -- Mark Murray Join the anti-SPAM movement: http://www.cauce.org From owner-freebsd-users@melt.server.pavilion.net Thu Jun 24 19:37:28 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-users@listserver.pavilion.net Received: from florence.pavilion.net (florence.pavilion.net [194.242.128.25]) by melt.server.pavilion.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E37821DA1 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 19:37:27 +0100 (BST) Received: from sand5.global.net.uk (sand5.global.net.uk [194.126.80.249]) by florence.pavilion.net (8.9.2/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA12758 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 19:37:27 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from marko@globalnet.co.uk) Received: from p70s02a07.client.global.net.uk ([195.147.226.113] helo=marder-1.) by sand5.global.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.05 #1) id 10xENG-00026G-00; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 19:37:23 +0100 Received: (from marko@localhost) by marder-1. (8.9.2/8.8.8) id TAA00311; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 19:33:51 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from marko) Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 19:33:50 +0100 From: Mark Ovens To: Brian Somers Cc: aw1@stade.co.uk, freebsd-users@uk.freebsd.org Subject: The Matrix on ITV tonight [Was: Re: [Freebsd-users] Re: cvs commit: src/etc pccard.conf.sample] Message-ID: <19990624193350.A267@marder-1> References: <19990624120347.F11620@mervyn.stade.co.uk> <199906241521.QAA01232@keep.lan.Awfulhak.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.3i In-Reply-To: <199906241521.QAA01232@keep.lan.Awfulhak.org>; from Brian Somers on Thu, Jun 24, 1999 at 04:21:04PM +0100 Organization: Total lack of Sender: marko@globalnet.co.uk On Thu, Jun 24, 1999 at 04:21:04PM +0100, Brian Somers wrote: > > On Wed, Jun 23, 1999 at 11:19:25AM +0100, Brian Somers wrote: > > > > > > > Takers ? > > > > Not me I'm afraid - my family have reminded me that I have a prior > > social arrangement. I'm taking them to see The Matrix. So, a FreeBSD > > activity after all (8-) > > Best film I've seen in years ! Worth seeing more than once in the > cinema !!! > In case you've not read TV Times, there is a program on ITV tonight (Thurs) at midnight called "The making of The Matrix". Wonder if we'll get to see those FreeBSD 'puters doing there stuff? -- FreeBSD - The Power To Serve http://www.freebsd.org My Webpage http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~markov _______________________________________________________________ Mark Ovens, CNC Apps Engineer, Radan Computational Ltd. Bath UK CAD/CAM solutions for Sheetmetal Working Industry mailto:markov@globalnet.co.uk http://www.radan.com From owner-freebsd-users@melt.server.pavilion.net Thu Jun 24 19:55:56 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-users@listserver.pavilion.net Received: from florence.pavilion.net (florence.pavilion.net [194.242.128.25]) by melt.server.pavilion.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC74F1DB8 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 19:55:55 +0100 (BST) Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by florence.pavilion.net (8.9.2/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA14812; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 19:55:53 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from dom@myrddin.demon.co.uk) Received: from myrddin.demon.co.uk ([158.152.54.180]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 10xEfA-0007aV-0K; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 18:55:53 +0000 Received: from dom by myrddin.demon.co.uk with local (Exim 1.92 #1) id 10xDm5-0000Ak-00; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 18:58:57 +0100 Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 18:58:57 +0100 To: Josef Karthauser Cc: Brian Somers , Lee Johnston , freebsd-users@uk.freebsd.org Subject: Re: New Mailing List Installed! Message-ID: <19990624185857.A653@myrddin.demon.co.uk> References: <19990622212135.A95680@freebsd-uk.eu.org> <199906231026.LAA02676@keep.lan.Awfulhak.org> <19990623132411.C27440@pavilion.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <19990623132411.C27440@pavilion.net>; from Josef Karthauser on Wed, Jun 23, 1999 at 01:24:11PM +0100 From: Dom Mitchell On Wed, Jun 23, 1999 at 01:24:11PM +0100, Josef Karthauser wrote: > On Wed, Jun 23, 1999 at 11:26:03AM +0100, Brian Somers wrote: > > Second, I vote we remove the [freebsd-users] from the subject line > > (sorry Joe :-) > > Ok - 'tis done. Many thanks! -- When I said "we", officer, I was referring to myself, the four young ladies, and, of course, the goat. From owner-freebsd-users@melt.server.pavilion.net Thu Jun 24 19:56:05 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-users@listserver.pavilion.net Received: from florence.pavilion.net (florence.pavilion.net [194.242.128.25]) by melt.server.pavilion.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 136451DB8 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 19:56:05 +0100 (BST) Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by florence.pavilion.net (8.9.2/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA14841; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 19:56:04 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from dom@myrddin.demon.co.uk) Received: from myrddin.demon.co.uk ([158.152.54.180]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 10xEfF-0007al-0K; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 18:55:58 +0000 Received: from dom by myrddin.demon.co.uk with local (Exim 1.92 #1) id 10xDiU-0000AR-00; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 18:55:14 +0100 Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 18:55:14 +0100 To: Brian Somers Cc: paul@originative.co.uk, joe@pavilion.net, mark@grondar.za, Tony Finch , freebsd-users@uk.freebsd.org Subject: Re: [Freebsd-users] Re: cvs commit: src/etc pccard.conf.sample Message-ID: <19990624185514.B614@myrddin.demon.co.uk> References: <199906220743.IAA01156@keep.lan.Awfulhak.org> <199906231019.LAA02644@keep.lan.Awfulhak.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <199906231019.LAA02644@keep.lan.Awfulhak.org>; from Brian Somers on Wed, Jun 23, 1999 at 11:19:25AM +0100 From: Dom Mitchell On Wed, Jun 23, 1999 at 11:19:25AM +0100, Brian Somers wrote: > Also, is anybody going to be driving in that could see their way to > go back via Barnett ? Dom (non-drinker) and Paul (maybe driving > anyway) spring to mind :*) Sorry, but 1) No drinkeee, also no drivee :-) 2) It's brighton, not barnett. If I did drive, I'd be more than happy, but... 3) I've got a thrill packed day anyway filling 6Gb of Memory into a Sun E10000. 20 minutes a reboot. Yech. OTOH, I might find my way to adding a few "Powered by FreeBSD" stickers onto it (wishful thinking). If I do, I'll post the photos... -- When I said "we", officer, I was referring to myself, the four young ladies, and, of course, the goat. From owner-freebsd-users@melt.server.pavilion.net Fri Jun 25 07:53:41 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-users@listserver.pavilion.net Received: from florence.pavilion.net (florence.pavilion.net [194.242.128.25]) by melt.server.pavilion.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A401A1DB8 for ; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 07:53:41 +0100 (BST) Received: (from joe@localhost) by florence.pavilion.net (8.9.2/8.8.8) id HAA74531; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 07:52:25 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from joe) Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 07:52:25 +0100 From: Josef Karthauser To: Adrian Wontroba Cc: Brian Somers , freebsd-users@uk.freebsd.org Subject: Re: [Freebsd-users] Re: cvs commit: src/etc pccard.conf.sample Message-ID: <19990625075225.Q27440@pavilion.net> References: <199906220743.IAA01156@keep.lan.Awfulhak.org> <199906231019.LAA02644@keep.lan.Awfulhak.org> <19990624120347.F11620@mervyn.stade.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <19990624120347.F11620@mervyn.stade.co.uk>; from Adrian Wontroba on Thu, Jun 24, 1999 at 12:03:47PM +0100 X-NCC-RegID: uk.pavilion Organisation: Pavilion Internet plc, 24 The Old Steine, Brighton, BN1 1EL, England Phone: +44-845-333-5000 Fax: +44-845-333-5001 Mobile: +44-403-596893 Sender: joe@florence.pavilion.net On Thu, Jun 24, 1999 at 12:03:47PM +0100, Adrian Wontroba wrote: > On Wed, Jun 23, 1999 at 11:19:25AM +0100, Brian Somers wrote: > > > > Takers ? > > Not me I'm afraid - my family have reminded me that I have a prior > social arrangement. I'm taking them to see The Matrix. So, a FreeBSD > activity after all (8-) Great film - I've seen it twice already. Joe -- Josef Karthauser FreeBSD: How many times have you booted today? Technical Manager Viagra for your server (http://www.uk.freebsd.org) Pavilion Internet plc. [joe@pavilion.net, joe@uk.freebsd.org, joe@tao.org.uk] From owner-freebsd-users@melt.server.pavilion.net Mon Jun 28 08:29:12 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-users@listserver.pavilion.net Received: from florence.pavilion.net (florence.pavilion.net [194.242.128.25]) by melt.server.pavilion.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3A831DB8 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 08:29:11 +0100 (BST) Received: from serenity.mcc.ac.uk (serenity.mcc.ac.uk [130.88.200.93]) by florence.pavilion.net (8.9.2/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA56330 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 08:29:11 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from lee@uk.freebsd.org) Received: from [130.88.200.97] (helo=dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org) by serenity.mcc.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.92 #3) for freebsd-users@uk.freebsd.org id 10yVqh-000FC4-00; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 08:29:11 +0100 Received: from serenity.mcc.ac.uk (serenity.mcc.ac.uk [130.88.200.93]) by dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA15595 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 08:29:02 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from roger@cs.strath.ac.uk) Received: from [130.159.196.126] (helo=fleming.cs.strath.ac.uk ident=root) by serenity.mcc.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.92 #3) for freebsd-users@freebsd-uk.eu.org id 10yVqf-000FC1-00; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 08:29:01 +0100 Received: from cs.strath.ac.uk (scary.dmem.strath.ac.uk [130.159.202.5]) by fleming.cs.strath.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA24240 Mon, 28 Jun 1999 08:25:33 +0100 (BST) Sender: roger@cs.strath.ac.uk Message-ID: <3777238E.866EEBEB@cs.strath.ac.uk> Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 08:26:06 +0100 From: Roger Hardiman Organization: Strathclyde University X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.2-STABLE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Charlie Brewster Cc: freebsd-users@freebsd-uk.eu.org Subject: Re: Install-a-thon References: <3.0.3.32.19990617191037.007375c4@1.1.1.100> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Charlie, > myself already, but I'm not sure if X Windows supports the SiS6326 graphics > chipset integral with the motherboard yet XFree86 does. Only in 16 bit colour (I found 24 bit mode buggy) For Xig, no. You need to BUY the latest version. It is not included in any of the 4.x service packs. Bye Roger From owner-freebsd-users@melt.server.pavilion.net Tue Jun 29 11:53:03 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-users@listserver.pavilion.net Received: from florence.pavilion.net (florence.pavilion.net [194.242.128.25]) by melt.server.pavilion.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 879441DB8 for ; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 11:53:03 +0100 (BST) Received: from fleming.cs.strath.ac.uk (root@fleming.cs.strath.ac.uk [130.159.196.126]) by florence.pavilion.net (8.9.2/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA39598 for ; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 11:53:02 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from roger@cs.strath.ac.uk) Received: from muir-10 (roger@muir-10.cs.strath.ac.uk [130.159.148.10]) by fleming.cs.strath.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA14389 Tue, 29 Jun 1999 11:52:59 +0100 (BST) Sender: roger@cs.strath.ac.uk Message-ID: <3778A58A.15FB@cs.strath.ac.uk> Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 11:52:59 +0100 From: Roger Hardiman Organization: University of Strathclyde X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (X11; I; OSF1 V4.0 alpha) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-users@uk.freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD 3.2 CD ROMs References: <375E846B.446B@cs.strath.ac.uk> <3769FE06.A2969B16@trltech.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Richard Smith wrote: > > Roger Hardiman wrote: > > > > Has anyone got their FreeBSD 3.2 CD ROM sets yet? > > > Hurrah. I picked up mine from the Post Office Sorting Office. They were delivered while I was away on Holiday. Bye Roger -- Roger Hardiman | Telepresence Research Group roger@cs.strath.ac.uk | DMEM, University of Strathclyde tel: 0141 548 2897 | Glasgow, Scotland, G1 1XJ, UK fax: 0141 552 0557 | http://telepresence.dmem.strath.ac.uk From owner-freebsd-users@melt.server.pavilion.net Wed Jun 30 08:52:14 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-users@listserver.pavilion.net Received: from florence.pavilion.net (florence.pavilion.net [194.242.128.25]) by melt.server.pavilion.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 062EF1DB8 for ; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 08:52:14 +0100 (BST) Received: from ns.wan (trltech.demon.co.uk [194.222.7.191]) by florence.pavilion.net (8.9.2/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA38992 for ; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 08:52:13 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from rsmith@trltech.co.uk) Received: from rdls.sw.wan (rdls.sw.wan [192.9.200.19]) by ns.wan (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id IAA10811 for ; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 08:51:41 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from rsmith@trltech.co.uk) Received: from trltech.co.uk (localhost.sw.wan [127.0.0.1]) by rdls.sw.wan (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id IAA17428 for ; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 08:50:27 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from rsmith@trltech.co.uk) Sender: richard@trltech.co.uk Message-ID: <3779CC43.BAD80BD1@trltech.co.uk> Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 08:50:27 +0100 From: Richard Smith Reply-To: richard@jezebel.demon.co.uk Organization: http://www.trltech.co.uk X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.2-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "FreeBSD UK User's Group" Subject: KVM Switch Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Anyone here use a KVM switch with FreeBSD? I would be interested in any experiences as I am trying to source one at the moment. Thanks, Richard. From owner-freebsd-users@melt.server.pavilion.net Wed Jun 30 21:27:49 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-users@listserver.pavilion.net Received: from florence.pavilion.net (florence.pavilion.net [194.242.128.25]) by melt.server.pavilion.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B16C21DCA for ; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 21:27:49 +0100 (BST) Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk [193.237.89.66]) by florence.pavilion.net (8.9.2/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA10501 for ; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 21:27:47 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.2) id UAA70901; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 20:36:36 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik) Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 20:36:33 +0100 From: Nik Clayton To: richard@jezebel.demon.co.uk Cc: "FreeBSD UK User's Group" Subject: Re: KVM Switch Message-ID: <19990630203633.A70245@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> References: <3779CC43.BAD80BD1@trltech.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <3779CC43.BAD80BD1@trltech.co.uk>; from Richard Smith on Wed, Jun 30, 1999 at 08:50:27AM +0100 Organization: Nik at home, where there's nothing going on On Wed, Jun 30, 1999 at 08:50:27AM +0100, Richard Smith wrote: > Anyone here use a KVM switch with FreeBSD? Yep. > I would be interested in any experiences as I am trying to source one at > the moment. I'm using a Belkin OmniView SE 4 Port, bought from Action Computers (action.com, or action.co.uk, or something like that). I've had no problems with it. It lets me switch between my FreeBSD desktop and my Win98 desktop (or, to be more precise, my "Team Fortress Classic" desktop) with no problems. It's electronic, rather than manual, which is, IMHO, a good thing -- it keeps power going to the hosts' keyboard and mouse ports, some machines get touchy if you don't plug the mouse in until after it's booted, or unplug the mouse mid-session, which is a how a manual switch would appear. Set me back about GBP 190 or so. Using it is a doddle. I've only got two machines, so I either hit the switch on the front, or tap scroll lock twice and then do either "0 1" or "0 2". It doesn't have any of the on-screen menus that some of the fancier switches have, but they'll set you back a few hundred more. GBP 190 is a bit expensive, but I rationalised it as being considerably less than the cost of a second monitor (not to mention all the extra deskspace (which I don't have) that it would take up. N -- [intentional self-reference] can be easily accommodated using a blessed, non-self-referential dummy head-node whose own object destructor severs the links. -- Tom Christiansen in <375143b5@cs.colorado.edu> From owner-freebsd-users@melt.server.pavilion.net Wed Jun 30 23:14:32 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-users@listserver.pavilion.net Received: from florence.pavilion.net (florence.pavilion.net [194.242.128.25]) by melt.server.pavilion.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86BD21DD6 for ; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 23:14:32 +0100 (BST) Received: from binky.demon.co.uk (binky.demon.co.uk [158.152.218.245]) by florence.pavilion.net (8.9.2/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA23261 for ; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 23:14:31 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from maillistsubs@binky.demon.co.uk) Received: from binky ([10.1.1.5]) by binky.demon.co.uk with SMTP (Mailtraq/1.0.0.997) id BNKY220765D8C for freebsd-users@uk.freebsd.org; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 23:18:15 +0100 From: "Neil Ford" To: "'FreeBSD Users'" Subject: Problem installing 3.2 Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 23:18:12 +0100 Message-ID: <000001bec346$72e3a080$0501010a@binky.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Hops: 1 I know this might not be the best place, but it's a better start that working out which official list to use :-) I'm trying to install 3.2 from CD and I'm getting a kernal panic. The error message is Fatal trap 12: page fault while in kernel mode. This seems to occur when it tries to copy the first chunk of the doc dist. Anyone any ideas or can direct me to the correct place to raise this? For the record the box is homebuilt, has a P120 in it, 32Mb RAM and a 6Gb HD. I successfully installed 3.0 on it only a week or so ago (to test the hardware). All advice greatly appreciated. Neil. -- Neil C. Ford neil@binky.demon.co.uk From owner-freebsd-users@melt.server.pavilion.net Thu Jul 1 10:49:57 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-users@listserver.pavilion.net Received: from florence.pavilion.net (florence.pavilion.net [194.242.128.25]) by melt.server.pavilion.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B49551DBC for ; Thu, 1 Jul 1999 10:49:57 +0100 (BST) Received: from ns.wan (trltech.demon.co.uk [194.222.7.191]) by florence.pavilion.net (8.9.2/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA00364 for ; Thu, 1 Jul 1999 10:49:42 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from rsmith@trltech.co.uk) Received: from rdls.sw.wan (rdls.sw.wan [192.9.200.19]) by ns.wan (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id KAA15588; Thu, 1 Jul 1999 10:49:03 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from rsmith@trltech.co.uk) Received: from trltech.co.uk (localhost.sw.wan [127.0.0.1]) by rdls.sw.wan (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id KAA06253; Thu, 1 Jul 1999 10:47:35 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from rsmith@trltech.co.uk) Sender: richard@trltech.co.uk Message-ID: <377B3937.930E1129@trltech.co.uk> Date: Thu, 01 Jul 1999 10:47:35 +0100 From: Richard Smith Reply-To: richard@jezebel.demon.co.uk Organization: http://www.trltech.co.uk X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.2-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Nik Clayton Cc: "FreeBSD UK User's Group" Subject: Re: KVM Switch References: <3779CC43.BAD80BD1@trltech.co.uk> <19990630203633.A70245@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Nik Clayton wrote: > > On Wed, Jun 30, 1999 at 08:50:27AM +0100, Richard Smith wrote: > > Anyone here use a KVM switch with FreeBSD? > > Yep. > > > I would be interested in any experiences as I am trying to source one at > > the moment. > > I'm using a Belkin OmniView SE 4 Port, bought from Action Computers > (action.com, or action.co.uk, or something like that). I've had no > problems with it. It lets me switch between my FreeBSD desktop and > my Win98 desktop (or, to be more precise, my "Team Fortress Classic" > desktop) with no problems. Thanks, that's just the kind of endorsement I'm looking for. One is soon to be on order from Belkin UK. :) BTW, what flavour of rodent do you use with it? The Cybex problems (reported on -questions, and also experienced by me) was always with /dev/psm0. Richard. From owner-freebsd-users@melt.server.pavilion.net Thu Jul 1 16:24:33 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-users@listserver.pavilion.net Received: from florence.pavilion.net (florence.pavilion.net [194.242.128.25]) by melt.server.pavilion.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1C631DD0 for ; Thu, 1 Jul 1999 16:24:32 +0100 (BST) Received: from fleming.cs.strath.ac.uk (root@fleming.cs.strath.ac.uk [130.159.196.126]) by florence.pavilion.net (8.9.2/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA58315 for ; Thu, 1 Jul 1999 14:40:27 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from roger@cs.strath.ac.uk) From: roger@cs.strath.ac.uk Received: from muir-10.cs.strath.ac.uk (roger@muir-10.cs.strath.ac.uk [130.159.148.10]) by fleming.cs.strath.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA22043 Thu, 1 Jul 1999 14:40:25 +0100 (BST) Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 14:40:24 +0100 Message-Id: <199907011340.AA07234@muir-10.cs.strath.ac.uk> Date-Received: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 14:40:24 +0100 To: freebsd-users@uk.freebsd.org Subject: test test - please ignore roger From owner-freebsd-users@melt.server.pavilion.net Thu Jul 1 16:24:33 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-users@listserver.pavilion.net Received: from florence.pavilion.net (florence.pavilion.net [194.242.128.25]) by melt.server.pavilion.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 956551DC2 for ; Thu, 1 Jul 1999 16:24:32 +0100 (BST) Received: from serenity.mcc.ac.uk (serenity.mcc.ac.uk [130.88.200.93]) by florence.pavilion.net (8.9.2/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA86911 for ; Thu, 1 Jul 1999 16:19:47 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from lee@uk.freebsd.org) Received: from [130.88.200.97] (helo=dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org) by serenity.mcc.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.92 #3) for freebsd-users@uk.freebsd.org id 10zict-0005Ve-00; Thu, 1 Jul 1999 16:19:47 +0100 Received: from serenity.mcc.ac.uk (serenity.mcc.ac.uk [130.88.200.93]) by dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA24096 for ; Thu, 1 Jul 1999 13:29:57 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from roger@cs.strath.ac.uk) Received: from [130.159.196.126] (helo=fleming.cs.strath.ac.uk ident=root) by serenity.mcc.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.92 #3) for freebsd-users@freebsd-uk.eu.org id 10zfyW-000MyH-00; Thu, 1 Jul 1999 13:29:56 +0100 Received: from muir-10 (roger@muir-10.cs.strath.ac.uk [130.159.148.10]) by fleming.cs.strath.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA20841 Thu, 1 Jul 1999 13:26:33 +0100 (BST) Sender: roger@cs.strath.ac.uk Message-ID: <377B5E78.15FB@cs.strath.ac.uk> Date: Thu, 01 Jul 1999 13:26:32 +0100 From: Roger Hardiman Organization: University of Strathclyde X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (X11; I; OSF1 V4.0 alpha) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-users@freebsd-uk.eu.org Subject: Need testers "Business Apps for FreeBSD" by Walnut Creek Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, VOLUNTEERS NEEDED Walnut Creek produce a CD called "Business Apps for Linux" "The best business and productivity apps for Linux" They are willing to send the UKUG a few free copies of the disk so we can check FreeBSD compatibility (with our linux emulation) We have to check the apps install and run on FreeBSD. I expect that installation scripts will need changing and we may need some makefiles writing or some shell scripts. Walnut Creek can then rename the disk "Business Apps for Linux and FreeBSD" VOLUNTEERS NEEDED. If you want the CD, and are willing to write install scripts, makefiles and do some testing, please let me know. This project has Jordan Hubbard's blessing. Thanks Roger -- Roger Hardiman roger@freebsd.org -- Roger Hardiman | Telepresence Research Group roger@cs.strath.ac.uk | DMEM, University of Strathclyde tel: 0141 548 2897 | Glasgow, Scotland, G1 1XJ, UK fax: 0141 552 0557 | http://telepresence.dmem.strath.ac.uk From owner-freebsd-users@melt.server.pavilion.net Thu Jul 1 16:30:24 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-users@listserver.pavilion.net Received: from florence.pavilion.net (florence.pavilion.net [194.242.128.25]) by melt.server.pavilion.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6E881DD8 for ; Thu, 1 Jul 1999 16:30:23 +0100 (BST) Received: (from joe@localhost) by florence.pavilion.net (8.9.2/8.8.8) id QAA90281; Thu, 1 Jul 1999 16:30:09 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from joe) Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 16:30:08 +0100 From: Josef Karthauser To: roger@cs.strath.ac.uk Cc: freebsd-users@uk.freebsd.org Subject: Re: test Message-ID: <19990701163008.L69050@pavilion.net> References: <199907011340.AA07234@muir-10.cs.strath.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <199907011340.AA07234@muir-10.cs.strath.ac.uk>; from roger@cs.strath.ac.uk on Thu, Jul 01, 1999 at 02:40:24PM +0100 X-NCC-RegID: uk.pavilion Organisation: Pavilion Internet plc, 24 The Old Steine, Brighton, BN1 1EL, England Phone: +44-845-333-5000 Fax: +44-845-333-5001 Mobile: +44-403-596893 Sender: joe@florence.pavilion.net On Thu, Jul 01, 1999 at 02:40:24PM +0100, roger@cs.strath.ac.uk wrote: > test - please ignore > > roger Sorry Roger - this took a little while to come through for the following reason: "It is too easy to upgrade FreeBSD!". Let me explain. I've got a new box on the network and thought that I'd upgrade it to 3.2-LATEST, from 3.2-LATESTBUTONE. I cvsup'd and rebuilt it which took 2 hours 30 min, make a new kernel, mergemastered the config and rebooted. After about 20 minutes I realised that I'd upgraded the _wrong_ box! :) :) The box I upgraded was melt.server.pavilion.net aka listserver.uk.freebsd.org, which coincidently hasn't been rebooted since I installed postfix/mailman and therefore I didn't know that postfix didn't start at boot time! Doh!. All fixed now though. Joe -- Josef Karthauser FreeBSD: How many times have you booted today? Technical Manager Viagra for your server (http://www.uk.freebsd.org) Pavilion Internet plc. [joe@pavilion.net, joe@uk.freebsd.org, joe@tao.org.uk] From owner-freebsd-users@melt.server.pavilion.net Thu Jul 1 17:29:26 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-users@listserver.pavilion.net Received: from florence.pavilion.net (florence.pavilion.net [194.242.128.25]) by melt.server.pavilion.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 708481DE2 for ; Thu, 1 Jul 1999 17:29:26 +0100 (BST) Received: from serenity.mcc.ac.uk (serenity.mcc.ac.uk [130.88.200.93]) by florence.pavilion.net (8.9.2/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA07494 for ; Thu, 1 Jul 1999 17:29:25 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from lee@uk.freebsd.org) Received: from [130.88.200.97] (helo=dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org) by serenity.mcc.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.92 #3) for freebsd-users@uk.freebsd.org id 10zjiG-0008Wr-00; Thu, 1 Jul 1999 17:29:24 +0100 Received: from serenity.mcc.ac.uk (serenity.mcc.ac.uk [130.88.200.93]) by dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA24674 for ; Thu, 1 Jul 1999 17:29:22 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from hellmary_29@hotmail.com) Received: from [207.82.252.153] (helo=hotmail.com) by serenity.mcc.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.92 #3) for freebsd-users@freebsd-uk.eu.org id 10zjiD-0008Wh-00; Thu, 1 Jul 1999 17:29:22 +0100 Received: (qmail 64615 invoked by uid 0); 1 Jul 1999 16:28:45 -0000 Message-ID: <19990701162845.64614.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 194.73.89.1 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 01 Jul 1999 09:28:44 PDT X-Originating-IP: [194.73.89.1] From: David Richards To: freebsd-users@freebsd-uk.eu.org Subject: Need testers "Business Apps for FreeBSD" by Walnut Creek Date: Thu, 01 Jul 1999 09:28:44 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: lee@uk.freebsd.org hey yeah i would like to test it thanks ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-freebsd-users@melt.server.pavilion.net Thu Jul 1 18:08:54 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-users@listserver.pavilion.net Received: from florence.pavilion.net (florence.pavilion.net [194.242.128.25]) by melt.server.pavilion.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01C101DD4 for ; Thu, 1 Jul 1999 18:08:53 +0100 (BST) Received: from brockman.tinet.ie (brockman.tinet.ie [159.134.237.30]) by florence.pavilion.net (8.9.2/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA16360 for ; Thu, 1 Jul 1999 18:08:53 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from paulod@tinet.ie) Received: from p149.as1.cork1.tinet.ie ([159.134.228.149] helo=tinet.ie) by brockman.tinet.ie with esmtp (Exim 2.05 #23) id 10zkKS-0000iF-00 for freebsd-users@uk.freebsd.org; Thu, 1 Jul 1999 18:08:52 +0100 Message-ID: <377BA0C0.E610A7E@tinet.ie> Date: Thu, 01 Jul 1999 18:09:20 +0100 From: "Paul O' Donovan" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-users@uk.freebsd.org Subject: Free BSD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello Everyone, I know that this is probably not the best place to post this question, but I'm going to ask anyway!. At present I'm using windows 95 and for little other than intereast I am now seriously thinking of making the switch to Free BSD 2.2.6. which I purchased from Walnut Creek cdrom 1 year ago. My computer is for home use only, wordprocessing, spreadsheet, games internet and E-mail. Various failures (well 3 half hatred attempts) at getting BSD up and running have been my experience to date. I did get the x-window system up and running once I logged in as root but that was about it. I had no sound, no modem no softerware nothing and the screen resolution was awful the view area was about 4 times the size of the screen. All I really want to know is if BSD is a viable alternative to win'95 on a home computer for some fairly mundane computing. Yours Faithfully Paul O' Donovan. From owner-freebsd-users@melt.server.pavilion.net Thu Jul 1 18:13:02 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-users@listserver.pavilion.net Received: from florence.pavilion.net (florence.pavilion.net [194.242.128.25]) by melt.server.pavilion.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C48651DDC for ; Thu, 1 Jul 1999 18:13:01 +0100 (BST) Received: (from joe@localhost) by florence.pavilion.net (8.9.2/8.8.8) id SAA17374; Thu, 1 Jul 1999 18:13:00 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from joe) Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 18:13:00 +0100 From: Josef Karthauser To: "Paul O' Donovan" Cc: freebsd-users@uk.freebsd.org Subject: Re: Free BSD Message-ID: <19990701181300.O69050@pavilion.net> References: <377BA0C0.E610A7E@tinet.ie> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <377BA0C0.E610A7E@tinet.ie>; from Paul O' Donovan on Thu, Jul 01, 1999 at 06:09:20PM +0100 X-NCC-RegID: uk.pavilion Organisation: Pavilion Internet plc, 24 The Old Steine, Brighton, BN1 1EL, England Phone: +44-845-333-5000 Fax: +44-845-333-5001 Mobile: +44-403-596893 Sender: joe@florence.pavilion.net On Thu, Jul 01, 1999 at 06:09:20PM +0100, Paul O' Donovan wrote: > Hello Everyone, > I know that this is probably not the best place > to post this question, but I'm going to ask anyway!. > At present I'm using windows 95 and for little other than intereast I am > now seriously thinking of making the switch to > Free BSD 2.2.6. which I purchased from Walnut Creek cdrom 1 year ago. My > computer is for home use only, wordprocessing, spreadsheet, games > internet and E-mail. Various failures (well 3 half hatred attempts) at > getting BSD up and running have been my experience to date. I did get > the x-window system up and running once I logged in as root but that was > about it. I had no sound, no modem no softerware nothing and the screen > resolution was awful the view area was about 4 times the size of the > screen. > > All I really want to know is if BSD is a viable alternative to > win'95 on a home computer for some fairly mundane computing. > > > > Yours Faithfully > > Paul O' Donovan. If you do decide to go for FreeBSD find a copy of 3.2 first. There have been five versions released since the one that you've got. Joe -- Josef Karthauser FreeBSD: How many times have you booted today? Technical Manager Viagra for your server (http://www.uk.freebsd.org) Pavilion Internet plc. [joe@pavilion.net, joe@uk.freebsd.org, joe@tao.org.uk] From owner-freebsd-users@melt.server.pavilion.net Thu Jul 1 18:31:04 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-users@listserver.pavilion.net Received: from florence.pavilion.net (florence.pavilion.net [194.242.128.25]) by melt.server.pavilion.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A33E1DE1 for ; Thu, 1 Jul 1999 18:31:04 +0100 (BST) Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by florence.pavilion.net (8.9.2/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA20903 for ; Thu, 1 Jul 1999 18:31:03 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from mike@Chook.Demon.Co.UK) Received: from chook.demon.co.uk ([158.152.180.36] helo=151) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10zkfu-00068y-0A for freebsd-users@uk.freebsd.org; Thu, 1 Jul 1999 17:31:03 +0000 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Thu, 1 Jul 1999 18:30:42 +0100 Message-ID: <01BEC3EF.D34272E0.mike@Chook.Demon.Co.UK> From: Michael Saunby Reply-To: "mike@Chook.Demon.Co.UK" To: "freebsd-users@uk.freebsd.org" Subject: RE: Free BSD Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 18:30:41 +0100 Organization: Teachmore X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > If you do decide to go for FreeBSD find a copy of 3.2 first. > There have been five versions released since the one that you've got. > That's true, but it's also worth pointing out that even an early version of FreeBSD would give better screen resolution, handle modems, soundcards, etc. than Paul experienced. Paul, I don't know what proportion of the UK group learnt all about UNIX from installing FreeBSD on a home machine. Everyone has their own reason for installing it, and learning about UNIX, even using it as a replacement for Windows is viable (though I'm using Outlook on Windows 98 right now, cos I'll use anything, even MVS). But unless you really have little interest in using your PC other than to learn about computing you're probably not going to want to ditch Windows straight away; it's not like changing cars. FreeBSD can handle many things, but your normal human can absorb all the new information needed to do it well in less than a couple of months. So if you've got the space install FreeBSD alongside Windows, or even buy another disk to put it on, better still another PC (it really is good enough to buy a 2nd PC to run it on!) Michael Saunby From owner-freebsd-users@melt.server.pavilion.net Thu Jul 1 18:42:51 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-users@listserver.pavilion.net Received: from florence.pavilion.net (florence.pavilion.net [194.242.128.25]) by melt.server.pavilion.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 419FC1DDD for ; Thu, 1 Jul 1999 18:42:51 +0100 (BST) Received: (from joe@localhost) by florence.pavilion.net (8.9.2/8.8.8) id SAA22960; Thu, 1 Jul 1999 18:42:46 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from joe) Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 18:42:46 +0100 From: Josef Karthauser To: Michael Saunby Cc: "freebsd-users@uk.freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Free BSD Message-ID: <19990701184246.Q69050@pavilion.net> References: <01BEC3EF.D34272E0.mike@Chook.Demon.Co.UK> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <01BEC3EF.D34272E0.mike@Chook.Demon.Co.UK>; from Michael Saunby on Thu, Jul 01, 1999 at 06:30:41PM +0100 X-NCC-RegID: uk.pavilion Organisation: Pavilion Internet plc, 24 The Old Steine, Brighton, BN1 1EL, England Phone: +44-845-333-5000 Fax: +44-845-333-5001 Mobile: +44-403-596893 Sender: joe@florence.pavilion.net On Thu, Jul 01, 1999 at 06:30:41PM +0100, Michael Saunby wrote: > > > > > If you do decide to go for FreeBSD find a copy of 3.2 first. > > There have been five versions released since the one that you've got. > > > > That's true, but it's also worth pointing out that even an early version of > FreeBSD would give better screen resolution, handle modems, soundcards, > etc. than Paul experienced. That's true, but some of those things have come on in leaps and bounds since. Joe -- Josef Karthauser FreeBSD: How many times have you booted today? Technical Manager Viagra for your server (http://www.uk.freebsd.org) Pavilion Internet plc. [joe@pavilion.net, joe@uk.freebsd.org, joe@tao.org.uk] From owner-freebsd-users@melt.server.pavilion.net Thu Jul 1 22:14:33 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-users@listserver.pavilion.net Received: from florence.pavilion.net (florence.pavilion.net [194.242.128.25]) by melt.server.pavilion.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 549701DD0 for ; Thu, 1 Jul 1999 22:14:33 +0100 (BST) Received: from binky.demon.co.uk (binky.demon.co.uk [158.152.218.245]) by florence.pavilion.net (8.9.2/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA52316 for ; Thu, 1 Jul 1999 22:14:31 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from maillistsubs@binky.demon.co.uk) Received: from binky ([10.1.1.5]) by binky.demon.co.uk with SMTP (Mailtraq/1.0.0.997) id BNKY223066317 for freebsd-users@uk.freebsd.org; Thu, 01 Jul 1999 22:11:02 +0100 From: "Neil Ford" To: "'FreeBSD Users'" Subject: RE: Free BSD Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 22:10:58 +0100 Message-ID: <000501bec406$394dcb00$0501010a@binky.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <377BA0C0.E610A7E@tinet.ie> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Hops: 1 I'd have to agree with what everyone else has said... if you can, get some newer CDs, things really have come on quite a lot. The suggestion about either aquiring some extra hardware or creating a dual boot machine is a good one, I have the luxury of a FreeBSD only box at home because I have a surfit of hardware. The box doesn't have to be the latest greatest spec to be usable, you'll be pleasently surprised at the performance compared to Windows. Once I get my server fully functional, I'll be dual booting my Windows box and probably just be using Windows for games (must play Diablo every now and then). Basically this is a long winded way of saying 'go for it'. Get hold of the handbook from the website, read up a little and try it out. Don't worry too much about sound, apart from games, how much do you need it?. Don't forget you can always ask here for assistance. That's right guys? Guys!! Guys!! :-) Neil. -- Neil C. Ford neil@binky.demon.co.uk > -----Original Message----- > From: freebsd-users-admin@uk.freebsd.org > [mailto:freebsd-users-admin@uk.freebsd.org]On Behalf Of Paul > O' Donovan > Sent: 01 July 1999 18:09 > To: freebsd-users@uk.freebsd.org > Subject: Free BSD > > > Hello Everyone, > I know that this is probably not the > best place > to post this question, but I'm going to ask anyway!. > At present I'm using windows 95 and for little other than > intereast I am > now seriously thinking of making the switch to > Free BSD 2.2.6. which I purchased from Walnut Creek cdrom 1 > year ago. My > computer is for home use only, wordprocessing, spreadsheet, games > internet and E-mail. Various failures (well 3 half hatred > attempts) at > getting BSD up and running have been my experience to date. I did get > the x-window system up and running once I logged in as root > but that was > about it. I had no sound, no modem no softerware nothing and > the screen > resolution was awful the view area was about 4 times the size of the > screen. > > All I really want to know is if BSD is a viable alternative to > win'95 on a home computer for some fairly mundane computing. > > > > Yours Faithfully > > Paul O' Donovan. From owner-freebsd-users@melt.server.pavilion.net Thu Jul 1 22:14:36 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-users@listserver.pavilion.net Received: from florence.pavilion.net (florence.pavilion.net [194.242.128.25]) by melt.server.pavilion.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABAE01DDA for ; Thu, 1 Jul 1999 22:14:35 +0100 (BST) Received: from binky.demon.co.uk (binky.demon.co.uk [158.152.218.245]) by florence.pavilion.net (8.9.2/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA52321 for ; Thu, 1 Jul 1999 22:14:32 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from maillistsubs@binky.demon.co.uk) Received: from binky ([10.1.1.5]) by binky.demon.co.uk with SMTP (Mailtraq/1.0.0.997) id BNKY223066315 for freebsd-users@uk.freebsd.org; Thu, 01 Jul 1999 22:11:02 +0100 From: "Neil Ford" To: "'FreeBSD Users'" Subject: RE: Problem installing 3.2 Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 22:10:46 +0100 Message-ID: <000401bec406$39356100$0501010a@binky.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <000001bec346$72e3a080$0501010a@binky.demon.co.uk> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Hops: 1 Following up my own message... Did some more investigation and found the problem was an overheating CPU thanks to a duff fan!! All is working fine now and a new fan will be installed as soon as I get a free lunchtime to nip down the shop. Neil. > -----Original Message----- > From: freebsd-users-admin@uk.freebsd.org > [mailto:freebsd-users-admin@uk.freebsd.org]On Behalf Of Neil Ford > Sent: 30 June 1999 23:18 > To: 'FreeBSD Users' > Subject: Problem installing 3.2 > > > I know this might not be the best place, but it's a better > start that working out which official list to use :-) > > I'm trying to install 3.2 from CD and I'm getting a kernal > panic. The error message is Fatal trap 12: page fault while in kernel > mode. This seems to occur when it tries to copy the first > chunk of the doc dist. > > Anyone any ideas or can direct me to the correct place to raise this? > > For the record the box is homebuilt, has a P120 in it, 32Mb > RAM and a 6Gb HD. I successfully installed 3.0 on it only a > week or so > ago (to test the hardware). > > All advice greatly appreciated. > > Neil. > -- > Neil C. Ford > neil@binky.demon.co.uk From owner-freebsd-users@melt.server.pavilion.net Fri Jul 2 00:53:52 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-users@listserver.pavilion.net Received: from florence.pavilion.net (florence.pavilion.net [194.242.128.25]) by melt.server.pavilion.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2772A1DD0 for ; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 00:53:52 +0100 (BST) Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk [193.237.89.66]) by florence.pavilion.net (8.9.2/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA68770 for ; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 00:53:47 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.2) id UAA47557; Thu, 1 Jul 1999 20:16:05 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik) Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 20:16:05 +0100 From: Nik Clayton To: richard@jezebel.demon.co.uk Cc: Nik Clayton , "FreeBSD UK User's Group" Subject: Re: KVM Switch Message-ID: <19990701201605.A46087@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> References: <3779CC43.BAD80BD1@trltech.co.uk> <19990630203633.A70245@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> <377B3937.930E1129@trltech.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <377B3937.930E1129@trltech.co.uk>; from Richard Smith on Thu, Jul 01, 1999 at 10:47:35AM +0100 Organization: Nik at home, where there's nothing going on On Thu, Jul 01, 1999 at 10:47:35AM +0100, Richard Smith wrote: > Nik Clayton wrote: > > I'm using a Belkin OmniView SE 4 Port, bought from Action Computers > > Thanks, that's just the kind of endorsement I'm looking for. > One is soon to be on order from Belkin UK. :) > > BTW, what flavour of rodent do you use with it? The Cybex problems > (reported on -questions, and also experienced by me) was always with > /dev/psm0. A Logitech Pilot (3 button, naturally), PS/2, recognised as psm0 irq 12 on isa psm0: model Generic PS/2 mouse, device ID 0 I've never had any problems with it. Obviously, the same mouse also works fine under Windows (now if I could only get Team Fortress Classic to recognise the middle mouse button. . .) N -- [intentional self-reference] can be easily accommodated using a blessed, non-self-referential dummy head-node whose own object destructor severs the links. -- Tom Christiansen in <375143b5@cs.colorado.edu> From owner-freebsd-users@melt.server.pavilion.net Fri Jul 2 01:57:21 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-users@listserver.pavilion.net Received: from florence.pavilion.net (florence.pavilion.net [194.242.128.25]) by melt.server.pavilion.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DC761DD5 for ; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 01:57:21 +0100 (BST) Received: from serenity.mcc.ac.uk (serenity.mcc.ac.uk [130.88.200.93]) by florence.pavilion.net (8.9.2/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA72781 for ; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 01:57:20 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from lee@uk.freebsd.org) Received: from [130.88.200.97] (helo=dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org) by serenity.mcc.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.92 #3) for freebsd-users@uk.freebsd.org id 10zrdo-0006Rv-00; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 01:57:20 +0100 Received: from serenity.mcc.ac.uk (serenity.mcc.ac.uk [130.88.200.93]) by dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA25939 for ; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 01:57:18 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from James@spel.demon.co.uk) Received: from [194.217.242.20] (helo=tele-post-20.mail.demon.net) by serenity.mcc.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.92 #3) for freebsd-users@freebsd-uk.eu.org id 10zrdm-0006Rt-00; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 01:57:18 +0100 Received: from spel.demon.co.uk ([194.222.162.29] helo=horlock18.freeserve.net) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 10zrdl-000EDu-0K for freebsd-users@freebsd-uk.eu.org; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 00:57:17 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 01:54:01 +0100 To: freebsd-users@freebsd-uk.eu.org From: James Subject: Silo overflow errors with US Robotics Sportster 28.8k MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike (32) Version 3.05 Sender: lee@uk.freebsd.org Hi all, I'm new to FreeBSD and am struggling a bit to say the least! I'm trying to get ppp working with my modem (USR Sportster 28.8k on IRQ 2). I keep getting "silo overflow" errors in the log after querying the modem manually (e.g. ATI4 etc.). It seems to return the first 13 characters, then locks. I've read the docs and checked freebsd.org and gather it's some sort of buffer overflow. Dropping the modem speed doesn't help. Any help much appreciated!! Sorry if this has been asked many times before. I.m running 2.2.7-stable on a DX2/66 with 24Mb RAM. I can post config files here if someone lets me know which ones to email! It's getting to be a real pain having to use Windoze for Internet access. Thanks in advance, James freebsd@spel.demon.co.uk From owner-freebsd-users@melt.server.pavilion.net Fri Jul 2 09:11:26 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-users@listserver.pavilion.net Received: from florence.pavilion.net (florence.pavilion.net [194.242.128.25]) by melt.server.pavilion.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CEFC1D7A for ; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 09:11:26 +0100 (BST) Received: from serenity.mcc.ac.uk (serenity.mcc.ac.uk [130.88.200.93]) by florence.pavilion.net (8.9.2/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA06826 for ; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 09:11:24 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from lee@uk.freebsd.org) Received: from [130.88.200.97] (helo=dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org) by serenity.mcc.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.92 #3) for freebsd-users@uk.freebsd.org id 10zyPs-000GRB-00; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 09:11:24 +0100 Received: from serenity.mcc.ac.uk (serenity.mcc.ac.uk [130.88.200.93]) by dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA26679 for ; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 09:11:21 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from [158.152.125.33] (helo=herring.nlsystems.com) by serenity.mcc.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.92 #3) for freebsd-users@freebsd-uk.eu.org id 10zyPo-000GR9-00; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 09:11:20 +0100 Received: from localhost (dfr@localhost) by herring.nlsystems.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA88793; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 09:13:55 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 09:13:54 +0100 (BST) From: Doug Rabson To: James Cc: freebsd-users@freebsd-uk.eu.org Subject: Re: Silo overflow errors with US Robotics Sportster 28.8k In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: lee@uk.freebsd.org On Fri, 2 Jul 1999, James wrote: > Hi all, > > I'm new to FreeBSD and am struggling a bit to say the least! I'm trying > to get ppp working with my modem (USR Sportster 28.8k on IRQ 2). I keep > getting "silo overflow" errors in the log after querying the modem > manually (e.g. ATI4 etc.). It seems to return the first 13 characters, > then locks. I've read the docs and checked freebsd.org and gather it's > some sort of buffer overflow. Dropping the modem speed doesn't help. > > Any help much appreciated!! Sorry if this has been asked many times > before. > > I.m running 2.2.7-stable on a DX2/66 with 24Mb RAM. I can post config > files here if someone lets me know which ones to email! It's getting to > be a real pain having to use Windoze for Internet access. Is it possible to move the irq? It certainly sounds as if you are losing interrupts. -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 442 9037 From owner-freebsd-users@melt.server.pavilion.net Fri Jul 2 09:56:52 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-users@listserver.pavilion.net Received: from florence.pavilion.net (florence.pavilion.net [194.242.128.25]) by melt.server.pavilion.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 964E81D7A for ; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 09:56:52 +0100 (BST) Received: (from joe@localhost) by florence.pavilion.net (8.9.2/8.8.8) id JAA17550; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 09:56:47 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from joe) Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 09:56:46 +0100 From: Josef Karthauser To: Neil Ford Cc: "'FreeBSD Users'" Subject: Re: Free BSD Message-ID: <19990702095646.U69050@pavilion.net> References: <377BA0C0.E610A7E@tinet.ie> <000501bec406$394dcb00$0501010a@binky.demon.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <000501bec406$394dcb00$0501010a@binky.demon.co.uk>; from Neil Ford on Thu, Jul 01, 1999 at 10:10:58PM +0100 X-NCC-RegID: uk.pavilion Organisation: Pavilion Internet plc, 24 The Old Steine, Brighton, BN1 1EL, England Phone: +44-845-333-5000 Fax: +44-845-333-5001 Mobile: +44-403-596893 Sender: joe@florence.pavilion.net On Thu, Jul 01, 1999 at 10:10:58PM +0100, Neil Ford wrote: > I'd have to agree with what everyone else has said... if you can, get some newer CDs, things really have come on quite a lot. > > The suggestion about either aquiring some extra hardware or creating a dual boot machine is a good one, I have the luxury of a > FreeBSD only box at home because I have a surfit of hardware. The box doesn't have to be the latest greatest spec to be usable, > you'll be pleasently surprised at the performance compared to Windows. > > Once I get my server fully functional, I'll be dual booting my Windows box and probably just be using Windows for games (must play > Diablo every now and then). > > Basically this is a long winded way of saying 'go for it'. Get hold of the handbook from the website, read up a little and try it > out. Don't worry too much about sound, apart from games, how much do you need it?. Don't forget you can always ask here for > assistance. That's right guys? Guys!! Guys!! :-) One the subject of sound, I believe that there's pretty good support for a whole range of soundcards now, and if you get stuck just mail the list here and we'll give you a hand setting it up. Joe -- Josef Karthauser FreeBSD: How many times have you booted today? Technical Manager Viagra for your server (http://www.uk.freebsd.org) Pavilion Internet plc. [joe@pavilion.net, joe@uk.freebsd.org, joe@tao.org.uk] From owner-freebsd-users@melt.server.pavilion.net Fri Jul 2 12:19:41 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-users@listserver.pavilion.net Received: from florence.pavilion.net (florence.pavilion.net [194.242.128.25]) by melt.server.pavilion.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1DF21D7A for ; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 12:19:40 +0100 (BST) Received: from serenity.mcc.ac.uk (serenity.mcc.ac.uk [130.88.200.93]) by florence.pavilion.net (8.9.2/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA55789 for ; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 12:19:40 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from lee@uk.freebsd.org) Received: from [130.88.200.97] (helo=dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org) by serenity.mcc.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.92 #3) for freebsd-users@uk.freebsd.org id 1101M3-000NGd-00; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 12:19:39 +0100 Received: from serenity.mcc.ac.uk (serenity.mcc.ac.uk [130.88.200.93]) by dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA26973 for ; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 12:19:33 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from davidr@eurosoft-uk.com) Received: from [194.73.89.1] (helo=exchange.eurosoft-uk.com) by serenity.mcc.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.92 #3) for freebsd-users@freebsd-uk.eu.org id 1101Lx-000NFr-00; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 12:19:33 +0100 Received: by EXCHANGE with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 12:18:08 +0100 Message-ID: <9098AC51122ED311A03200C0DFE69DC3061A76@EXCHANGE> From: David Richards To: "'freebsd-users@freebsd-uk.eu.org'" Subject: Upgrading Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 12:18:06 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: lee@uk.freebsd.org hey Currently I am using FreeBSD 2.2.7 and would like to upgrade to 3.2. My freeBSD box is not connected to the internet yet, but I do have access to a t1 line. How would I go about downloading 3.2 from the ftp site ?? Do i download everything in /pub/Freebsd including all sub directories ?? Then how would I burn it in to a cd under the windows 95 environment ? OR are there any resellers in the the Uk who sells FreeBSD 3.2 for under 10 pounds ? final point will there be any FreeBSD meeting in the south of england like around bournemouth/southampton area ? thanks david richards From owner-freebsd-users@melt.server.pavilion.net Fri Jul 2 12:47:54 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-users@listserver.pavilion.net Received: from florence.pavilion.net (florence.pavilion.net [194.242.128.25]) by melt.server.pavilion.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C71DD1D7A for ; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 12:47:54 +0100 (BST) Received: from serenity.mcc.ac.uk (serenity.mcc.ac.uk [130.88.200.93]) by florence.pavilion.net (8.9.2/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA62550 for ; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 12:47:53 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from lee@uk.freebsd.org) Received: from [130.88.200.97] (helo=dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org) by serenity.mcc.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.92 #3) for freebsd-users@uk.freebsd.org id 1101nM-000P0c-00; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 12:47:52 +0100 Received: from serenity.mcc.ac.uk (serenity.mcc.ac.uk [130.88.200.93]) by dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA27021 for ; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 12:47:50 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from joe@florence.pavilion.net) Received: from [194.242.128.25] (helo=florence.pavilion.net) by serenity.mcc.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.92 #3) for freebsd-users@freebsd-uk.eu.org id 1101nJ-000P0W-00; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 12:47:49 +0100 Received: (from joe@localhost) by florence.pavilion.net (8.9.2/8.8.8) id MAA62118; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 12:46:33 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from joe) Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 12:46:32 +0100 From: Josef Karthauser To: David Richards Cc: "'freebsd-users@freebsd-uk.eu.org'" Subject: Re: Upgrading Message-ID: <19990702124632.B69050@pavilion.net> References: <9098AC51122ED311A03200C0DFE69DC3061A76@EXCHANGE> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <9098AC51122ED311A03200C0DFE69DC3061A76@EXCHANGE>; from David Richards on Fri, Jul 02, 1999 at 12:18:06PM +0100 X-NCC-RegID: uk.pavilion Organisation: Pavilion Internet plc, 24 The Old Steine, Brighton, BN1 1EL, England Phone: +44-845-333-5000 Fax: +44-845-333-5001 Mobile: +44-403-596893 Sender: lee@uk.freebsd.org On Fri, Jul 02, 1999 at 12:18:06PM +0100, David Richards wrote: > > final point > will there be any FreeBSD meeting in the south of england like around > bournemouth/southampton area ? > > Is Brighton too far east? Joe -- Josef Karthauser FreeBSD: How many times have you booted today? Technical Manager Viagra for your server (http://www.uk.freebsd.org) Pavilion Internet plc. [joe@pavilion.net, joe@uk.freebsd.org, joe@tao.org.uk] From owner-freebsd-users@melt.server.pavilion.net Fri Jul 2 16:04:04 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-users@listserver.pavilion.net Received: from florence.pavilion.net (florence.pavilion.net [194.242.128.25]) by melt.server.pavilion.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C03151D7A for ; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 16:04:03 +0100 (BST) Received: from ns.wan (trltech.demon.co.uk [194.222.7.191]) by florence.pavilion.net (8.9.2/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA09904 for ; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 16:03:53 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from rsmith@trltech.co.uk) Received: from rdls.sw.wan (rdls.sw.wan [192.9.200.19]) by ns.wan (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id QAA20788; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 16:03:14 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from rsmith@trltech.co.uk) Received: from trltech.co.uk (localhost.sw.wan [127.0.0.1]) by rdls.sw.wan (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id QAA08345; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 16:01:47 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from rsmith@trltech.co.uk) Sender: richard@trltech.co.uk Message-ID: <377CD45B.7200F5D5@trltech.co.uk> Date: Fri, 02 Jul 1999 16:01:47 +0100 From: Richard Smith Reply-To: richard@jezebel.demon.co.uk Organization: http://www.trltech.co.uk X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.2-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Nik Clayton Cc: "FreeBSD UK User's Group" Subject: Re: KVM Switch References: <3779CC43.BAD80BD1@trltech.co.uk> <19990630203633.A70245@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> <377B3937.930E1129@trltech.co.uk> <19990701201605.A46087@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Nik Clayton wrote: > > On Thu, Jul 01, 1999 at 10:47:35AM +0100, Richard Smith wrote: > > > > BTW, what flavour of rodent do you use with it? The Cybex problems > > (reported on -questions, and also experienced by me) was always with > > /dev/psm0. > > A Logitech Pilot (3 button, naturally), PS/2, recognised as > > psm0 irq 12 on isa > psm0: model Generic PS/2 mouse, device ID 0 Good. It looks like my paranoia was unjustified :) Anyways, I'll find out next week :) :) Richard. From owner-freebsd-users@melt.server.pavilion.net Fri Jul 2 18:14:04 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-users@listserver.pavilion.net Received: from florence.pavilion.net (florence.pavilion.net [194.242.128.25]) by melt.server.pavilion.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A419D1D7A for ; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 18:14:04 +0100 (BST) Received: from probity.mcc.ac.uk (probity.mcc.ac.uk [130.88.200.94]) by florence.pavilion.net (8.9.2/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA38031 for ; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 18:14:04 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from lee@uk.freebsd.org) Received: from [130.88.200.97] (helo=dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org) by probity.mcc.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.92 #3) for freebsd-users@uk.freebsd.org id 1106t1-0005F5-00; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 18:14:03 +0100 Received: from serenity.mcc.ac.uk (serenity.mcc.ac.uk [130.88.200.93]) by dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA28051 for ; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 18:14:01 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from steve@richsoft.demon.co.uk) Received: from [194.217.242.41] (helo=finch-post-12.mail.demon.net) by serenity.mcc.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.92 #3) for freebsd-users@freebsd-uk.eu.org id 1106sz-000Cd7-00; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 18:14:01 +0100 Received: from richsoft.demon.co.uk ([158.152.112.38]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 1106rl-000IgZ-0C for freebsd-users@freebsd-uk.eu.org; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 17:12:45 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 18:11:15 +0100 To: "'freebsd-users@freebsd-uk.eu.org'" From: Steve Richards Subject: Re: Upgrading References: <9098AC51122ED311A03200C0DFE69DC3061A76@EXCHANGE> <19990702124632.B69050@pavilion.net> In-Reply-To: <19990702124632.B69050@pavilion.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike (32) Version 4.01 <4lXF7BuDcBo6R4XSmiElJJbCzt> Sender: lee@uk.freebsd.org In message <19990702124632.B69050@pavilion.net>, Josef Karthauser writes >On Fri, Jul 02, 1999 at 12:18:06PM +0100, David Richards wrote: >> >> final point >> will there be any FreeBSD meeting in the south of england like around >> bournemouth/southampton area ? >> >> > >Is Brighton too far east? > >Joe Wimborne in Dorset is closer! -- Steve Richards From owner-freebsd-users@melt.server.pavilion.net Sun Jul 4 17:35:23 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-users@listserver.pavilion.net Received: from florence.pavilion.net (florence.pavilion.net [194.242.128.25]) by melt.server.pavilion.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C16C71D7A for ; Sun, 4 Jul 1999 17:35:23 +0100 (BST) Received: from RAINFORD.ORG.UK (www.rainford.org.uk [195.188.164.2]) by florence.pavilion.net (8.9.2/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA14779 for ; Sun, 4 Jul 1999 17:35:23 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from kevin@rainford.org.uk) Received: from rainford.org.uk (usr512-kno.cableinet.co.uk [194.117.138.16]) by RAINFORD.ORG.UK (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA08656 for ; Sun, 4 Jul 1999 17:44:33 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from kevin@rainford.org.uk) Message-ID: <377F8D3F.F1F51804@rainford.org.uk> Date: Sun, 04 Jul 1999 17:35:11 +0100 From: "Kevin O'Connor" Reply-To: kevin@rainford.org.uk X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-users@uk.freebsd.org Subject: restrict ip address Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Is there a quick and easy way to prevent access to my system based on IP address What I need is an exclusion list that's easy to set up and up date by none technical staff Also does anyone know of an email filter that runs on FreeBSD to check for words I'm trying to push FreeBSD for mail and web use with in the local authority but keep coming up against people who want to use NT and all the third party filtering software that cost the earth and is way beyond the budget of most schools in the authority Ta Kevin Kevin O'Connor NetWork Support From owner-freebsd-users@melt.server.pavilion.net Mon Jul 5 07:25:44 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-users@listserver.pavilion.net Received: from florence.pavilion.net (florence.pavilion.net [194.242.128.25]) by melt.server.pavilion.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B1D81D7A for ; Mon, 5 Jul 1999 07:25:44 +0100 (BST) Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by florence.pavilion.net (8.9.2/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA63324 for ; Mon, 5 Jul 1999 07:25:44 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from dom@myrddin.demon.co.uk) Received: from myrddin.demon.co.uk ([158.152.54.180]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 1112CF-0009Oo-0A; Mon, 5 Jul 1999 06:25:43 +0000 Received: from dom by myrddin.demon.co.uk with local (Exim 1.92 #1) id 10zlzD-00008b-00; Thu, 1 Jul 1999 19:55:03 +0100 Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 19:55:03 +0100 To: Michael Saunby Cc: "freebsd-users@uk.freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Free BSD Message-ID: <19990701195503.B489@myrddin.demon.co.uk> References: <01BEC3EF.D34272E0.mike@Chook.Demon.Co.UK> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <01BEC3EF.D34272E0.mike@Chook.Demon.Co.UK>; from Michael Saunby on Thu, Jul 01, 1999 at 06:30:41PM +0100 From: Dom Mitchell On Thu, Jul 01, 1999 at 06:30:41PM +0100, Michael Saunby wrote: > I don't know what proportion of the UK group learnt all about UNIX from > installing FreeBSD on a home machine. Everyone has their own reason for > installing it, and learning about UNIX, even using it as a replacement for > Windows is viable (though I'm using Outlook on Windows 98 right now, cos > I'll use anything, even MVS). Although you'd have trouble running MVS at home. :-) > But unless you really have little interest > in using your PC other than to learn about computing you're probably not > going to want to ditch Windows straight away; it's not like changing cars. > FreeBSD can handle many things, but your normal human can absorb all the > new information needed to do it well in less than a couple of months. So if > you've got the space install FreeBSD alongside Windows, or even buy another > disk to put it on, better still another PC (it really is good enough to buy > a 2nd PC to run it on!) -- When I said "we", officer, I was referring to myself, the four young ladies, and, of course, the goat. From owner-freebsd-users@melt.server.pavilion.net Mon Jul 5 07:36:55 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-users@listserver.pavilion.net Received: from florence.pavilion.net (florence.pavilion.net [194.242.128.25]) by melt.server.pavilion.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 100DD1D7A for ; Mon, 5 Jul 1999 07:36:55 +0100 (BST) Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by florence.pavilion.net (8.9.2/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA64131 for ; Mon, 5 Jul 1999 07:36:54 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from dom@myrddin.demon.co.uk) Received: from myrddin.demon.co.uk ([158.152.54.180]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 1112N3-00094S-0B; Mon, 5 Jul 1999 06:36:54 +0000 Received: from dom by myrddin.demon.co.uk with local (Exim 1.92 #1) id 1112Mp-0000Gg-00; Mon, 5 Jul 1999 07:36:39 +0100 Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 07:36:39 +0100 To: "Kevin O'Connor" Cc: freebsd-users@uk.freebsd.org Subject: Re: restrict ip address Message-ID: <19990705073639.A622@myrddin.demon.co.uk> References: <377F8D3F.F1F51804@rainford.org.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <377F8D3F.F1F51804@rainford.org.uk>; from Kevin O'Connor on Sun, Jul 04, 1999 at 05:35:11PM +0100 From: Dom Mitchell On Sun, Jul 04, 1999 at 05:35:11PM +0100, Kevin O'Connor wrote: > Is there a quick and easy way to prevent access to my system based on IP > address > What I need is an exclusion list that's easy to set up and up date by > none technical staff Well, you can use TCP wrappers (In the base system in 3.1+, else in the ports collection). That should just require a text file (/etc/hosts.deny) that needs to be edited. You could set up the staff so that they can edit it if they are in the right group. You should also show them something like ee instead of vi! If all that's still too technical for them, then consider getting them to ftp a file containing a bare list of IP addresses to your box and then running a shell script to transform it into a hosts.deny file. In fact, this is probably the better option, as you can then switch to another bit of software more easily later, such as ipfw(8). > Also does anyone know of an email filter that runs on FreeBSD to check > for words I'm trying to push FreeBSD for mail and web use with in the > local authority but keep coming up against people who want to use NT and > all the third party filtering software that cost the earth and is way > beyond the budget of most schools in the authority You're probably looking at "write it yourself" here again. Most modern MTA (Mail Transport Agents) will be able to perform some kind of filtering. The most popular solution is sendmail+procmail, but I prefer exim to sendmail, as I find it easier to deal with. Have a look on places like freshmeat.net for mail filters. -- When I said "we", officer, I was referring to myself, the four young ladies, and, of course, the goat. From owner-freebsd-users@melt.server.pavilion.net Mon Jul 5 11:54:05 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-users@listserver.pavilion.net Received: from florence.pavilion.net (florence.pavilion.net [194.242.128.25]) by melt.server.pavilion.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CE761D7A for ; Mon, 5 Jul 1999 11:54:05 +0100 (BST) Received: from probity.mcc.ac.uk (probity.mcc.ac.uk [130.88.200.94]) by florence.pavilion.net (8.9.2/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA21231 for ; Mon, 5 Jul 1999 11:54:02 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from lee@uk.freebsd.org) Received: from [130.88.200.97] (helo=dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org) by probity.mcc.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.92 #3) for freebsd-users@uk.freebsd.org id 1116Nr-0005h1-00; Mon, 5 Jul 1999 11:53:59 +0100 Received: from serenity.mcc.ac.uk (serenity.mcc.ac.uk [130.88.200.93]) by dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA39109 for ; Mon, 5 Jul 1999 11:53:57 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from roger@cs.strath.ac.uk) Received: from [130.159.196.126] (helo=fleming.cs.s